Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Don't Think of It as "Paramilitary"...

...think of it as "recreation." [More]
I have mixed feelings about this one. Overbearing noise can be a form of intrusion. As can objections to any noise. I guess I need to learn more about the actual circumstances before concluding the neighbors are just a bunch of whiny antis...

One thing I don't have mixed feelings on is the right of all of us to engage in paramilitary training--and not have to disguise it as recreation. If we have the appropriate facilities for it and are not infringing on the rights of surrounding property owners, the hell with anybody who disapproves.

UPDATE:




[Via DJK]

9 comments:

DJK said...

Here's a video of the place

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3197819357989226331#

DJK said...

Here's a wiki post about the place

http://www.copswiki.org/w/bin/view/Common/CovertCanyon

DJK said...

Here's a show that I believe was filmed there...

http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Covert-Canyon/dp/B002N7TA6S

Ned said...

Of course, if one didn't have to jump through so many hoops to obtain and use a silencer, there would be many fewer noise complaints.

Gt this - silencers are even legal in France.

jon said...

address the problem from the assumption that property rights are inviolate, and secondarily from the physical properties of sound.

noise is pollution when it imposes a cost or liability upon the listener for which they did not enter into any contract. that is, when it is a socialized loss.

it is a cost in time. time spent sleeping, speaking, or listening to something or someone else, or perhaps simply thinking. time that the victim, if you will, would have otherwise spent productively or in the pursuit of happiness. once you can get that far, you can begin to work out the problem, but you still can't decide the terms of the contract that will resolve the situation on behalf of these parties; you cannot impose a permit system, for example, whether by persuasion or by vote, because it fails to address all potential contractual issues on into the future: socialists can't calculate.

it used to be that the law's purpose was to do what i just began to do: discover and expound otherwise implied contractual obligations. today, they who call themselves law think their job is to just deny permits when the particular obligations of interested parties do not fit the system of permits.

that is the failure of institutionalization and it can and will be seen in any statist design.

Thirdpower said...

"Paramilitary Training" is actually a crime in Illinois.

Wild Deuce said...

"Paramilitary Training" is actually a crime in Illinois.

Thirdpower ... enlighten me, please.

Anonymous said...

Everything except bowing before uncivil servants is forbidden in Illinois.

Didn't you get the memo?

Spec Op Missions is the show that was filmed there. they use Simulations weapons/ammo with a 4 or 5 against 1 operator.

It is for entertainment, but educational if you realize the Simulations is only effective up close and personal.

Thirdpower said...

Certainly. The relevant code is:

20 ILCS 1805/ Military Code of Illinois., para. 94-95.

This url should work:
http://tinyurl.com/mqc784

About 80% of the way down the page.

Basically it says that civilians can't get together for military style training unless approved by the Governor w/ a few exceptions like re-enactors or members of groups like the VFW on official functions.

The ADL has a list of other states w/s similar laws:

http://www.adl.org/mwd/faq5.asp