So, When Should We "Shoot the Bastards?"
by Mike Vanderboegh
by Mike Vanderboegh
9 February 2008
(More along the line of grim thinking inspired by
government misconduct in the Olofson case.)
When the 23rd Regiment was finally back in Boston after the ordeal of April 19, adjutant Frederick Mackenzie wrote in his diary, "I believe the fact is, that General Gage was not only much deceived with respect to the quantity of military stores said to be collected at Concord, but had no conception the rebels would have opposed the King's troops in the manner they did." -- General John Galvin, The Minutemen, Pergamon-Brasseys, 1989, page 244.
"Where to draw the line?"
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution
Libertarian Wolfe made her famous observation above in the mid-nineties. Now here we are more than ten years later, even more isolated and politically disenfranchised, and we must ask the question: how far do we have to go to get past "awkward?"
History never exactly repeats itself and thus is an imperfect guide. Studying history "we see through a glass, darkly." Still, there are patterns in history that deserve our close attention, so we may better understand how to act in the present and to enable us to better predict the future. Through history, we understand that no idea, bad or good, ever truly dies. We are also shown that people, being human, repeat the mistakes of their ancestors, over and over again. Indeed, there is no one blinder than a historical amnesiac.
So when we consider the question suggested by Claire Wolfe, that is, when are we past the awkward stage and into the day of "shooting the bastards," we must consult history for examples to guide us. I offer firstly a lesson in waiting too long from William Sheridan Allen's outstanding study, The Nazi Seizure of Power: The Experience of a Single German Town (Franklin Watts/Grolier, 1984):
And yet, one has to ask the question, what happened to those who had sworn resistance? What happened to the Reichsbanner, which had repeatedly asserted, in the years before Hitler came to power, that when the expected Nazi coup came they would be able to defend the Republic? In Northeim, at least, the Republic was destroyed without a single blow struck in its defense. The Reichsbanner, with all its plans for instant mobilization, had its members struck down one by one, its leaders imprisoned, beaten, hounded from their jobs and their homes without any resistance from the organization as a whole. Perhaps the basic reason for this was that there was no Nazi coup d'etat. Instead there was a series of quasi-legal actions over a period of at least six months, no one of which by itself constituted a revolution, but the sum of which transformed Germany from a republic to a dictatorship. The problem was where to draw the line. But by the time that line could be clearly drawn, the revolution was a fait accompli, the potential organs of resistance had been individually smashed, and organized resistance was no longer possible. In short, the splendid organization was to no avail; in the actual course of events it was every man for himself. (Allen, p. 191)
Even after reading Allen's work, I have often wondered why the German opposition just laid down without a fight. Back in the nineties, I was talking to Aaron Zelman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and one of us (I recall it was him, he thinks it was me) made this observation: "If every Jewish and anti-Nazi family in Germany had possessed a Mauser rifle, 20 rounds of 7.92mm ball and the will to use it, Adolf Hitler would have been an obscure footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic." True enough, whoever said it. But as Grant Hammond observed about Colonel John Boyd's seminal theories of warfare:
"There is another trinity in Boyd’s strategic catechism as well. It is a concern for what he lumps together as moral-mental-physical aspects of opponents. Most definitions of war define them as contests in physical violence. Boyd sees them mainly as moral struggles won as much by mental as physical prowess. But he sees the complex—moral-mental-physical—as a single entity, a synthesis that can be broken down analytically but must be understood as a composite whole. It matches another Trinitarian composite, that of people first, ideas second and things third. This happens to be the opposite of the way most militaries approach problem solving by focusing on technology, platforms and weaponry first, ideas about their employment second and people—who are largely interchangeable and ultimately, are expendable—third. This way of thinking has little utility in Boyd’s Way and in fact, may be the seed of many a defeat." (Source: Grant T. Hammond, The Essential Boyd, found at http://www.belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/hammond/essential_boyd.htm)
Many Americans, especially us small "r" republicans, take heart when we recall that the American citizenry possesses more small arms than most of the world's armies put together. And as Clausewitz observed, in military affairs quantity DOES have a quality all its own (just ask any Korean War veteran about his first experience with a Chinese human wave assault). Still, as Napoleon insisted, "The moral is to the physical as three is to one." We cannot be protected by our possession of a hundred million rifles if we lack the will use them. Iraq was an armed society, yet the Saddam dictatorship had little trouble tyrannizing that country for decades. And it cannot be doubted that there are many American gunowners who would, at the first command of an American tyranny, turn in their weapons simply because they are "law-abiding" people who "don't want any trouble" -- simply because, in fact, they have forgotten what it is to be free. They have grown used to doing what the government tells them to do. And perhaps that was the problem with the Weimar republicans:
The Northeimer Reichsbanner itself was ready to fight in 1933. All it needed was an order from Berlin. Had it been given, Northeimer's Reichsbanner members would have carried out the tested plan they had worked on so long -- to obtain and distribute weapons and to crush the Nazis. But (the local Reichsbanner) would not act on its own. The leaders felt that single acts would come to grief, would possibly compromise the chance when it finally did come, and would, in any event, be a betrayal of discipline. They felt that their only hope was in common action, all together, all over the Reich. Hadn't (their national leaders) said that only a counterattack should be made? So they waited and prayed for the order to come, but it never did. And while they waited the Nazis began tracking them down, one by one. (Allen, p. 191)
The Germans, wholly indoctrinated in obeying orders, were incapable of acting without them. Because their would-be tyrants represented "the government" and cloaked their wolfish actions in "legal" sheepskin, because their own "leaders" could not or would not give the order, they all ended up in a concentration camp -- leaders and followers -- without ever having struck a blow. I am again reminded of Boyd's "moral-mental-physical" dynamic by this observation of Allen's:
"This situation, where even heroism was denied the men of the democratic Left, came about in no small measure because of the failure of the Social Democrats to understand the nature of Nazism. Just as their basic premise in the years before Hitler came to power was the erroneous assumption that the Nazis were essentially Putschists who could not possibly attract a mass following, so their basic premise after Hitler came to power was the equally erroneous assumption that his would be a government similar to the others of the Weimar period." (Ibid, p. 192)
Because of their inability to see the enemy for what he really was (and if ever there was an enemy who delighted in shouting his intentions to the rafters it was Hitler) they went straight from the "awkward stage" to the concentration camps without ever firing a shot.
Thinking and Acting before Feeling.
Now, contrast the behavior of the Germans to that of our Founding Fathers. This is best illustrated by reading Gordon S. Wood's The Creation of the American Republic, 1776 - 1787:
In the American Revolution, Wood wrote, "there was none of the legendary tyranny of history that had so often driven desperate people into rebellion. The Americans were not an oppressed people; they had no crushing imperial shackles to throw off. In fact, the Americans knew they were probably freer and less burdened with cumbersome feudal and hierarchical restraints than any part of mankind in the eighteenth century. To its victims, the Tories, the Revolution was truly incomprehensible. Never in history, said Daniel Leonard, had there been so much rebellion with so 'little real cause.' . . . The objective social reality scarcely seemed capable of explaining a revolution . . .
As early as 1775 Edmund Burke had noted in the House of Commons that the colonists' intensive study of law and politics had made them acutely inquisitive and sensitive about their liberties. Where the people of other countries had invoked principles only after they had endured 'an actual grievance,' the Americans, said Burke, were anticipating their grievances and resorting to principles even before they actually suffered. 'They augur misgovernment at a distance and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze.' The crucial question in the colonists' minds, wrote John Dickerson in 1768, was 'not, what evil HAS ACTUALLY ATTENDED particular measures -- but what evil, in the nature of things, IS LIKELY TO ATTEND them.' Because 'nations, in general, are not apt to THINK until they FEEL, . . .therefore nations in general have lost their liberty.' But not the Americans, as the Abbe Raynal observed. They were "an 'enlightened people' who knew their rights and the limits of power and who, unlike any people before them, aimed to think before they felt."
(Source: Gordon S. Wood, The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787, UNC Press, 1969, pp. 3-5)
The Founders were people who believed in "preserving the spirit of resistance." To take Abbe Raynal's words to their conclusion, the Founders aimed to think AND act before they felt. Unlike the Germans, their "awkward stage" ended at Lexington green, and ultimately led to liberty. In the light of recent events such as the Olofson case, it seems plain that our own "awkward stage" may be perilously close to drawing to an end. There are those who still insist that such unconstitutional outrages perpetrated under color of law deserve nothing more than verbal condemnation or further attempts at legal redress in a "justice" system rigged against us (as if these thugs pay attention to the law anyway). Used to inaction and afraid of even voicing the threat of justifiable self-defense, these timid souls, these "summer soldiers and sunshine patriots," would have us wait for true tyranny before acting. This was not the way of the Founders. They understood that tyranny is best strangled in its unholy infancy, before it becomes a raging beast. They understood the threat, they prepared to meet it and, in the end, they defeated it. The Germans of the 1930s did not, and they were devoured.
I say we would do well to emulate the Founders rather than the Germans, to think and ACT before we feel, when it will be too late. This is important not only for those Americans who wish to remain free, but for those on the other side who unthinkingly seek to rob us of our freedoms and for those in the middle who (ignoring the Law of Unintended Consequences) sit idly by, content to watch the destruction of the American republic on television while thinking it has nothing to do with, and can have no effect upon, them. If we small "r" republicans do nothing else, we should let the rogue elements of our own government know that in addition to outnumbering them, we still preserve the spirit of resistance, despite have been marginalized politically by the two major parties. Perhaps, if everyone understands that, the Redcoats (now wearing black raid gear) will not once again blunder and unknowingly march out from Boston into an unexpected but perfectly predictable butchery contest.
By our words, our preparations, our training and our actions we, the armed citizenry of the Republic of the United States of America, still have the opportunity to convince them of our unyielding determination to remain free. It may be our last best hope to preserve uninterrupted both our God-given liberties and the domestic peace we have come to love too much. While it is better to be "awkward" than to be dead, it is better still to die fighting than to be enslaved without a fight. Just ask the Germans of the Weimar Republic. So THINK and ACT before you FEEL. The Founders did.
Mike Vanderboegh
PO Box 926
Pinson, AL 35126
GeorgeMason1776@aol.com
More About Mike Vanderboegh at WarOnGuns
How can one expect people to rise up in defense of liberty with arms when they will not even follow through with the least heroic act in defense of freedom: voting for someone other than a socialist.
ReplyDeleteMy flashpoint is the taking of guns. This will be the indication that the gov't no longer has a use for citizens and only slaves are welcome. This will be their acknowledgment that they know they are in the wrong but don't want to risk paying too high a price. Right now the Feds have to be very careful and not shear the sheep too closely lest we notice. One here and one there we will tolerate, although we shouldn't. But on the day that 1200 or 12,000 people have their guns confiscated or the day possession of ammo is a federal crime I will know (providing, of course we still have the 1st and are able to communicate.) The ownership of guns/RTKBA is the barometer that tells me where we are in the march toward totalitarianism. The barometer is moving but I don't think we are there yet.
ReplyDeleteIt takes a few brave men or women to sound the clarion call "To Arms". Sadly, these are few and far between to have much effect...
ReplyDeleteThe "taking of guns" has already happened, depending on where the guns were. What is the difference between a local government doing it and the feds doing it? Tyranny is tyranny and needs to be extinguished wherever it arises.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, the taking of guns has happened. But it's on a small scale and while we should stop it before it gets worse (and I believe it will), we haven't/won't. Right now you couldn't get 20 people willing to die in my personal fight for my RTKBA. They don't see themselves as threatened by my loss. The wholesale taking of guns has not happened but will have to happen before the gov't can go past a certain point. Taking up guns a few here and there while other guns are 'allowed' to be bought plus the millions of guns already out there will take the Feds a century. They don't want to take that long. They are banking on a law that says - "Turn in all your guns and you won't get killed and you won't lose all your property." I think when that happens the men will bluster and while they are at work the wives will call the cops to come get the guns (since women tend to want security more than freedom, sorry it's just a fact.) The Feds eventually have to make a play for all at once.
ReplyDeleteThat point and that day will never come. Their current strategy of keeping us divided and disarming us piecemeal is working well enough.
ReplyDeleteMike, I'd like to point you to an article I wrote on The Line is Here called Tyranny is Red Tights.
ReplyDeleteThe reason I point this out is because I honestly think that the 2A does a fantastic job against a sudden change in government that results in Tyranny. If CiC Fumbletongue actually canceled the elections like the lefties believed, that would be enough of a wake up call for us to take arms.
Instead, we're not having our rights taken from us. Your neighbors are willingly giving them up. Americans these days, on the whole, much prefer to have a government that promises them health care, a safety net in case they make bad decisions, and cheap cable so they can watch Survivor. They don't want liberty, only security (and we know the cost of that, don't we).
So, you won't be fighting the government, you'll be fighting your neighbors.
And that depresses me more than I care to admit.
Well, I'm gratified to see calmness, confidence and optimism breaking out all over in response to my essay. Why don't some of you guys just go ahead and slit your wrists and get it over with? Or better yet, throw some cold water on your faces, wake up and start acting like AMERICANS used to, fer cryin' out loud. No wonder the ATF thinks they can get away with what they do. If you'll stop worrying about what the enemy can do to you and start thinking about what you can do to them, you'll have made a start at winning the fight. Crap, you outnumber them a hundred to one, despite your fears. If you acted like you had the power that you actually have -- the power that your own timidity is stripping you of -- we wouldn't have to fight at all! Sheesh. Quit moaning, bitching and "woe-is-me-ing" and start ACTING like free people. You're sure you wanted this blog and not the "surrender before inconvenience" one?
ReplyDeleteMike sez "If you acted like you had the power that you actually have -- the power that your own timidity is stripping you of -- we wouldn't have to fight at all!"
ReplyDeleteMy comments are based on stuff I've seen on this very WoG's blog.
OK. Tell me how you think I should act. Don't just tell me to act. That's almost as bad as the Politicians talking about change. Put some action ideas out there that are different from what we've already tried/done. Explain how these new ideas will work where every other one hasn't. Explain how joining the NRA etc etc ad infinitum is going to help. Vote? Tried that hasn't worked to date. Email, write, call my senator/congressman? Tried that hasn't slowed 'em down at all, in fact I got a nose thumbed at me. Give money? Done that, Heller hasn't been decided yet. Crap, we can't even reach the $10K mark to fund the Heller defense. The Fudds think their scatter guns are safe. What can we do? Amass a suicidal attack on some local Fed building by the three folks that show up? I don't think so. Then what? NOW what? Give us one thing we can do that David/WoG hasn't already tried or said and that isn't suicidal. I'm more than willing to listen. Until then my opinion is what I wrote earlier. Please prove me wrong. Show me where all this power is that no one on this blog can find. This is getting depressing.
Sorry, Mike. By the way I enjoyed both your essays.
ReplyDeleteI was once told, "You have no idea how much we can hurt you."
ReplyDeleteMy reply, "You'd be better off thinking about how much I WILL hurt you."
Told to a sheriff and a District Attorney. They decided to leave me the fuck alone.
Admittedly it helped that I was right and this was before the advent of ninja swat teams.
Folks:
ReplyDeleteThe sooner people accept that the political game is nearly over and almost certainly lost, the sooner minds will be freed for thinking.
If I told you with > 50% certainty that people were coming to kill you and your family so that they could take your stuff, and that there was nobody other than you and your most trusted amigos upon whom you could rely, I hope you would have some ideas about what free men do in such a situation.
Do the same thing - get the same results.
Do something different - get different results.
Two examples from the 90s.
ReplyDeleteOne of my own & one of Bob Wright's of New Mexico.
In 1994, if memory serves me correctly, the B'ham office of the ATF carried out a ninja stunt in Trader's Gun Shop, coming in mid-morning with SMGs, pointing them at people's heads, knocking them about and down (including a little old lady customer) screaming "move MFer and your dead!" All this to serve a warrent on alleged straw man sales. This was our first experience with "Waco Jim" Cavanaugh's Modus operandi (a Dallas ASAC & one of the raid planners, he had been rewarded by being given the SAC position in Birmingham). Prior to Cavanaugh, such a warrant would have been served by a couple of old-timers who knew the owner, Bill Dollar, going into the shop and telling him quietly that they needed to seize his records, take him into custody, whatever. There wouldn't have been a problem. But Cavanaugh brought cowboy tactics with him from Texas, and this single outrage was responsible for the militias organizing in this area.
Anyway, after years of courtroom fencing, the Judge threw out the charges because the prosecution had willfully refused to turn over exculpatory Brady material. (Can you say Olofson?) The judge, U. W. Clemmon, tongue-lashed both Cavanuagh and the US prosecutor when he did so, threatening them with contempt of court citations for their misbehavior. Shortly after this, I was in the Birmingham Pistol Parlor when one of Jim's cowboys came in, running his mouth about how Dollar had bought him a federal judge for $10,000. I interrupted: "You know that for a fact?" He said he did. Then I said, "Well how come your ass isn't down in the federal prosecutor's office telling him your story?" He turned beet red and said, "Who the hell are you?" I said, "My name's Mike Vanderboegh, and if you can't prove that, you should shut your mouth before Judge Clemmon runs you in for slander and libel." He left that store like he was shot out of a cannon and everybody in there couldn't believe that I'd said it. "Don't you know who that was?" Yeah, I knew who it was. "Aren't you worried they'll come after you?" No, I told them, I wasn't. I knew that if they decided to come for me, worrying about it wasn't going to make any difference. The people in that gun store behind the counter had to kiss the ass of worthless liars like that because their livilhood depended upon his good will. I didn't, and so I wouldn't. No big deal.
In the mid-90s, Bob Wright, then commander of the 1st Brigade New Mexico Militia, was asked by the FBI SAC for NM whether he would really go to the aid of someone in another state if the Feds did something really raw like Waco again. Bob looked him in the eye and said, "Why would I want to do that? There's plenty of you federal SOBs around here."
This was an angle on the subject that the Fibbie hadn't considered. There is an old saw, often quoted by the left, "speak truth to power." The heck with that. Spit in their eye. They blink just like everybody else.
Gentlemen,
ReplyDeleteSadly, Robb Allen is correct. Years ago, when I was one of the officers of the Militia of Washington County, AR. I had a very similar discussion with Wayne Fincher about where the line was drawn, and when do we determine that we must now shed blood. As you all should know, this is not an easy question to answer. When, and by what standard, does one determine that the killing of your fellow man is essential to the preservation of liberty?
Second, are you willing to start something that the vast majority of those around you do not deem necessary to have happen — primarily because they do not see the threat to their liberty? (Being ignorant of history, how can they?)
Third, suppose, just suppose that we go to war, and the Lord allows us to win. What do we have? What is the condition of the vast majority of the citizens of this country? Are they capable of actually carrying out the requisite responsibilities of a free citizen? Or, have they been brought up to expect handouts and constant entertainment?
Whether we like it or not, our country is bankrupt in virtually every aspect, from politics, to the social arena, the legal system, and particularly in the churches. The coming financial disaster is nothing compared to the bankruptcy that already exists, and is actually an outworking of it.
What should you do? I can't really tell you. I know this, you won't do anything until you have answered the above questions to the satisfaction of your heart and mind.
We have a horrific mess of a nation. If you want to blame someone — lay it at the feet of those pastors and churches that decided being a social club was more important than preaching and holding to the truth of the Word of God.
Paul W. Davis: I know this, you won't do anything until you have answered the above questions to the satisfaction of your heart and mind.
ReplyDeleteWe have a horrific mess of a nation. If you want to blame someone — lay it at the feet of those pastors and churches that decided being a social club was more important than preaching and holding to the truth of the Word of God.
Bump.
C.H.
Mike, I hope your rebuttal wasn't directed at me because if it is, then I didn't explain myself.
ReplyDeleteWhat we have to fight is a two front assault. The Feds are bolstered by the fact that most of our neighbors will fold under pressure easily. Actually, that's not a good characterization. A better example is wherever it is that the police are "asking" to do warrantless searches and people are simply saying "Oh, please come in. Would you like something to drink?" rather than telling them to shove it where the sun don't shine.
What bothers me even more is that I don't think we'll see a collapse. Instead, we'll be like England where incremental rights violations will simply lead us back into servitude. Everyone wants their bread and circuses and they're more than happy to sell you and yours out to get theirs.
The real war is with them, and it's not one that can be done with bullets. We have to wake people up to the dangers they are putting themselves in and get the general populace on board.
Otherwise, when the tipping point is reached, we'll be labeled terrorists, whackos, gun nuts, etc. Waco should have scared this country to death, instead people were irritated that they interrupted reruns of Gilligan's Island about some building that was burning.
Without the support of our countrymen, what do we have?
An excellent essay, but I have to agree samenokami.
ReplyDeleteWhat precisely is the line? Is it the Federal wholesale seizing of weapons? Because, aside from catastrophes like Katrina, I don't think that will ever happen. It's too obvious. Is it warrantless wiretapping and seizing people indefinitely? That already has happened, and I don't see any shots fired. From my view of history, having only come of age rather recently myself, it looks to me like the line has already been crossed a long time ago. Twenty years ago, perhaps, or under FDR. I suspect the infant is too big to simply be strangled any more.
Who fires the first shot? Mike uses an excellent example, looking at Germany. The leaders disappear first, the head is neatly removed from the snake, and everyone else is passive until they're collected, all before the group ever seriously considers striking. Nothing will happen if no one starts, and by-and-large I've noticed gun owners to be very polite, private individuals who prefer the 'don't bother me and I won't bother you' ideology; one that will do nothing less than damn us all in this case.
So... when and who? And how far would you go?
This Declaration of Intention is a good start. An excerpt:
ReplyDeleteWe, the undersigned, having given proper and due consideration to the current situation of our country, do declare that it is our clear and determined Intention to continue the fight for Freedom and the restoration of our Constitutional Republic under any current or future circumstances. Our cause is not limited to or constrained by any electoral contest or result thereof. It is not limited by political party affiliation or anti-Constitutional regulations...."
Nezumi sayeth:
ReplyDelete"What precisely is the line? Is it the Federal wholesale seizing of weapons? Because, aside from catastrophes like Katrina, I don't think that will ever happen."
Really? Can you stroll into a store, buy a select-fire rifle, and walk out with it right then and there? Can your government do this? What was the first select fire rifle to hit the market, the Browning Auto? Isn't that 90 years old? Do you have one in your gun cabinet?
The wholesale seizing didn't happen like you imagine, it happened by intercepting and banning all transactions to those outside the government, then picking off the tiny minority -- even down to historical pieces -- one procedural violation at a time. Dare I point out the obvious conflict of interest and red flag raised when the federal government excludes themselves from a prohibition?
The very first case involving the NFA 1934 that made it to the high courts proved that the intent behind the law had nothing to do with taxes. That was in 1939. The reason why you don't see the line is because it's almost 70 years that-a-way.
I'm not advocating violence because of this very example. As it turns out, many of the self-described "pro-gun" are actually blissfully unaware that they're actually just minor decorative pillars of the authoritarian state that prefer a more warm-and-fuzzy version of citizen disarmament, a.k.a. "guncontrol".
Frankly, "pro-gun" people scare me, but not nearly as much as a paranoid, mostly unaccountable central government, with huge stockpiles of weapons, and the ability to control food, fuel, power, banks, property ownership, and the power to monitor all the major forms of communication.
I'm not an "armchair commando", as someone else suggested in another thread. I'm scared s***less of this monstrous, cancerous tumor that has grown on the Constitution.
Mike, see what I meant about knowing I will have to fight alone, if it should come?
ReplyDeleteRemember that history is not changed by the majority, it's usually a very shrill and demanding minority. Remember also, that the clap of rifles is shrill and demanding, indeed. But don't worry about them; worry about YOU and YOUR line, just as I worry about mine.
ReplyDeleteI still hope and pray that there remains a silent minority (majority?) who has seen what happens to people who speak up, and have decided to develop their power, and skills quietly to keep from arousing interest of the wrong people.
I hope and pray that these will be the people who take part in the next big fight, and I pray that when my line is crossed, and I stand alone at that line, rifle in hand; another man will come and stand next to me. Then another. Then another.
But that won't happen until one man draws a line others can agree upon, and stands firmly upon it.
I guess THE question is; "Do you believe you will receive a fair trial?"
ReplyDeleteIf the answer to that is a qualified "No." then, I don't think any more questions need to be asked.
Am I wrong?
I guess I gotta go with existingthing here.
ReplyDeleteUpon further reflection, I realize the next presidential term will likely see a very prominent 2nd amendment snake lose its head. Hopefully this will be a catylist most can agree upon.
ReplyDeleteHope is such a strange thing...
Forgot to add;
ReplyDeleteKeep your powder dry.
I don't speak for all, but I know I can speak for a few, and that's all that really matters.
ReplyDeleteSi vis pacem, para bellum