David, this article turns my stomach. The fact that the supposed experts who were invited to comment use their experience and position to advocate citizen disarmament with the full credentials and resources of their educational and community organizations behind them speaks to just how near-universal this deranged groupthink is in such circles.
This is apparently considered cutting edge thinking by the political elite who seek to shape others' destinies by intrusive social engineering. "Forget about rights and individual responsibilities," they are saying. Their ideas involve instituting more big government programs which will entice people to turn against their neighbors out of the motives of greed, envy, or simple malice. Their professed ignorance in the realm of real solutions does not convince me that they are acting out of altruistic motives, either.
There's a lot more I could say about this article, but two words pretty well sum it up: Truly sickening.
"Let’s put aside for a moment the standard discussions about the right to bear arms and deal instead with the reality on the ground: there are a lot of gun deaths in this country; how can they be lessened?"
Gentlemen, you cannot unless of course your true intention is to ignore the realities of the Rights of Man- which, after reading this disgusting drivel, convinces me you are.
The reality is that the disgusting rape of the People, by stripping them of their right to Keep & Bare Arms has lead exactly to the situation of crimes by criminals (which the word in and of itself describes exactly someone who ignores the law) on the lawful. This is exactly your intent IMO because it forces the individual citizens to rely upon the supposed protectors to keep one safe. However, as you well know SCOTUS has deemed time and again, that NO police agency has a RESPONSIBILTIY to protect an individual citizen, but society as a whole. Just one example, and from the NYT's hometown:
"What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her." Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).
This and many other cases can be found via a simple Google search along with many other points that can be made but mine has been.
As I said to begin with, your original premise does not stand and cannot stand.
I'm just a hick, hillbilly gun maker in rural Georgia, however:
I must point out that NY city, and Great Britain both have found out that criminals are part of every society. They by definition do NOT comply with the law.
When you "outlaw" a means of defense, only honest productive citizens follow that law. You tip the scales of power in the criminals favor. He then KNOWS only HE is armed, his victims are not.
[Why do you think evil people attack in "gun free zones", not at the local rifle range?]
In "the" bastion of "anti-gun", Great Britain, total elimination of firearms only caused the criminal members of society their to now choose a new tool...Knives.
Stabbings and slashing and horrible injuries thereof have gone up alarmingly. Britain's answer to this: Now outlaw knives...
Folks, Don't forget: Cane bashed Able's head in with a rock. Soon I expect Great Britain to outlaw them also.
But hey, don't worry. The Cops are minutes away, when seconds count to save you or your family.
I choose to take that responsibility myself. In a responsible manner, as I know that society will always have within it's members criminals. Among those criminals, there are truly evil people who will harm and kill other people. Sometimes for money, drugs, your car, whatever. I can pretend they are not there, but they are.
If you wish to see less accidental shootings? We teach are kids in school about drugs [D.A.R.E. Program], and sex then offer them condoms, why the hell are we not teaching basic firearms safety in schools as well?
Some comments are so asinine that I've made about five false starts. My favorite is about how we want to lock up ALL blacks and Latinos. No, not Hector at the market or Enrique at the insurance company or LaShawn who manages the radio station, but the guys with -- ho-hum -- "long records of violent crime" who there doesn't seem to be room for in the jails and prisons because of all the drug users WHO GET NO THERAPY. Repeal all gun laws. Will the next guy to try to abduct a 16-year-old find himself looking at the sky as he bleeds out? That is my dream. Instead od Amber Alerts of missing kids, we could have Ruby Alerts about abductors found dead in their own blood.
what the hell, some antigunners are more violent than I am...
look for the comments about the "gotcha" bullets, basically minibombs that explode when the trigger is pulled...
"oooh I hate gun violence but I shur would like to bomb those gun nuts because they have to share the violent costs hur hur hur peace and love everybody"
uh...share the violent costs? We already have. We see violence on the news, in the movies, in life, we try and cope, we process information and put it aside as best as we can, when someone attacks us, we have to defend ourselves using violence...I think many of us are quite capable of understanding the "social costs" as well as educating people on how to process such information.
I forgot to copy mine, and I'd be shocked if they printed it. I suggested that guns should stop being mystified and children should be taught how to handle them safely, and shown what a gun does to a target.
I also copied some stuff from my blog about what would happen if we treated water safety like the victim disarmers do gun safety.
I tried to submit a post but couldn't use my email address. I got an error message that my email address didn't exist.
Had to use my wife's address to post.
I noticed that the mental aptitude of most anti-gun posters was lacking. When some starts their argument with: "They should just" or "gun owners think" it's clear that they are clueless.
And of course they hate the government but believe that only the government should be armed...
David, this article turns my stomach. The fact that the supposed experts who were invited to comment use their experience and position to advocate citizen disarmament with the full credentials and resources of their educational and community organizations behind them speaks to just how near-universal this deranged groupthink is in such circles.
ReplyDeleteThis is apparently considered cutting edge thinking by the political elite who seek to shape others' destinies by intrusive social engineering. "Forget about rights and individual responsibilities," they are saying. Their ideas involve instituting more big government programs which will entice people to turn against their neighbors out of the motives of greed, envy, or simple malice. Their professed ignorance in the realm of real solutions does not convince me that they are acting out of altruistic motives, either.
There's a lot more I could say about this article, but two words pretty well sum it up: Truly sickening.
I hope you left a comment there and told them that...
ReplyDeleteWow, David, way to rip them a new one!
ReplyDeleteI wonder if mine will be-
ReplyDelete"Let’s put aside for a moment the standard discussions about the right to bear arms and deal instead with the reality on the ground: there are a lot of gun deaths in this country; how can they be lessened?"
Gentlemen, you cannot unless of course your true intention is to ignore the realities of the Rights of Man- which, after reading this disgusting drivel, convinces me you are.
The reality is that the disgusting rape of the People, by stripping them of their right to Keep & Bare Arms has lead exactly to the situation of crimes by criminals (which the word in and of itself describes exactly someone who ignores the law) on the lawful. This is exactly your intent IMO because it forces the individual citizens to rely upon the supposed protectors to keep one safe. However, as you well know SCOTUS has deemed time and again, that NO police agency has a RESPONSIBILTIY to protect an individual citizen, but society as a whole. Just one example, and from the NYT's hometown:
"What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her."
Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).
This and many other cases can be found via a simple Google search along with many other points that can be made but mine has been.
As I said to begin with, your original premise does not stand and cannot stand.
I've submitted it now. I don't know if they'll post it. They may not like words like "deranged groupthink".
ReplyDeleteI sent the following, let's see if they post it?
ReplyDeleteWhat’s Your Best Idea to Cut Gun Deaths?
I'm just a hick, hillbilly gun maker in rural Georgia, however:
I must point out that NY city, and Great Britain both have found out that criminals are part of every society. They by definition do NOT comply with the law.
When you "outlaw" a means of defense, only honest productive citizens follow that law. You tip the scales of power in the criminals favor. He then KNOWS only HE is armed, his victims are not.
[Why do you think evil people attack in "gun free zones", not at the local rifle range?]
In "the" bastion of "anti-gun", Great Britain, total elimination of firearms only caused the criminal members of society their to now choose a new tool...Knives.
Stabbings and slashing and horrible injuries thereof have gone up alarmingly. Britain's answer to this: Now outlaw knives...
Folks, Don't forget: Cane bashed Able's head in with a rock. Soon I expect Great Britain to outlaw them also.
But hey, don't worry. The Cops are minutes away, when seconds count to save you or your family.
I choose to take that responsibility myself. In a responsible manner, as I know that society will always have within it's members criminals. Among those criminals, there are truly evil people who will harm and kill other people. Sometimes for money, drugs, your car, whatever. I can pretend they are not there, but they are.
If you wish to see less accidental shootings? We teach are kids in school about drugs [D.A.R.E. Program], and sex then offer them condoms, why the hell are we not teaching basic firearms safety in schools as well?
Len Savage
President,
Historic Arms LLC
Franklin, GA
Some comments are so asinine that I've made about five false starts. My favorite is about how we want to lock up ALL blacks and Latinos. No, not Hector at the market or Enrique at the insurance company or LaShawn who manages the radio station, but the guys with -- ho-hum -- "long records of violent crime" who there doesn't seem to be room for in the jails and prisons because of all the drug users WHO GET NO THERAPY.
ReplyDeleteRepeal all gun laws. Will the next guy to try to abduct a 16-year-old find himself looking at the sky as he bleeds out? That is my dream. Instead od Amber Alerts of missing kids, we could have Ruby Alerts about abductors found dead in their own blood.
what the hell, some antigunners are more violent than I am...
ReplyDeletelook for the comments about the "gotcha" bullets, basically minibombs that explode when the trigger is pulled...
"oooh I hate gun violence but I shur would like to bomb those gun nuts because they have to share the violent costs hur hur hur peace and love everybody"
uh...share the violent costs? We already have. We see violence on the news, in the movies, in life, we try and cope, we process information and put it aside as best as we can, when someone attacks us, we have to defend ourselves using violence...I think many of us are quite capable of understanding the "social costs" as well as educating people on how to process such information.
I forgot to copy mine, and I'd be shocked if they printed it. I suggested that guns should stop being mystified and children should be taught how to handle them safely, and shown what a gun does to a target.
ReplyDeleteI also copied some stuff from my blog about what would happen if we treated water safety like the victim disarmers do gun safety.
I tried to submit a post but couldn't use my email address. I got an error message that my email address didn't exist.
ReplyDeleteHad to use my wife's address to post.
I noticed that the mental aptitude of most anti-gun posters was lacking. When some starts their argument with: "They should just" or "gun owners think" it's clear that they are clueless.
And of course they hate the government but believe that only the government should be armed...
Ned