An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border. [More]I'm going to let you tell me your thoughts on this one.
[Via Steven K]
Foreigners who come here legally have all the human rights any American would. That includes carrying a gun. I don't see how they have a right to trespass on his property. If someone is on your property without permission, but just on your land and not in your house it's at the very least rude to point a weapon at someone. I would never say it's criminal however.
ReplyDeleteThis surprises anyone?
ReplyDeleteJust wait until they're given amnesty and allowed to vote....
Let me guess...
ReplyDeleteAnother border state rancher will lose his ranch, and have it handed over to the border crossees who have probably been robbing him blind.
I have to disagree with Zach.
ReplyDeleteConsidering that your chances of encountering armed drug runners down there, while on your own land, and miles from help, I would consider it foolish not to greet these people at gunpoint.
When you're talking one against 10 or 20 or 30 people at a time, you need all the force multiplication you can get to ensure they don't decide they'd be better off with you dead.
It seems pretty simple to me. Is this or is this not his private property?
ReplyDeleteHe may not be a very nice guy himself--I don't know him--but if he's posted, he has every right to "seal off" and protect his property.
The only complexity here comes from the presence of law that has unintended consequences. Regardless of what anyone may think of the particulars of "illegal immigration", it seems pretty obvious that to the extent any of these people is coming into the country simply to be a succubus, the only real solution is to remove the entitlements that entice this behavior--precisely the same logic that holds that the way to take the tremendous profit motive out of the illegal drug trade (and all of the comitant Only One nonsense that feeds on it) is to just get out of the business of mala prohibita altogether. (Imagine such a world.)
Beyond that, it's really just shouting about details. Were I pissing up that particular rope, assuming nobody cared about the private property angle (and there's a "percentage" assumption for you, these days) I'd probably start by asking exactly how these people have any sort of standing to sue in the first place. Then again, we've already established that I speak in irrelevancies, speaking of archaic concepts like private property...
I'm not mad about them being here.
ReplyDeleteI'm not mad about them suing.
I am mad that the case isn't being thrown out. On my property, without my consent, you BREATHE with my permission. The lawsuit is frivolous.
Does it strike anybody odd that if these were American citizens trespassing his property and vandalizing it, and stealing from him they would be jailed and he would be unencumbered with the need for legal representation in a court?
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His property; his rights. A person's "legal status" has no bearing whatsoever on this, except perhaps in the eyes of the state.
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WHAT THE #&@% IS HAPPENING TO THIS %$#%$@# COUNTRY?!?!
Amen armatus
ReplyDeleteWHAT THE #&@% IS HAPPENING TO THIS %$#%$@# COUNTRY?!?!
ReplyDeleteIt's involved in a slow motion coup and too many people are dumbed down to the point that they can do it openly without the slightest fear of being exposed.
When Americans do it they're damned.
One man with one gun and one dog defending a 22,000 acre ranch deserves a medal, not a lawsuit.
ReplyDeleteThis only shows how bad the crimianls who run this country and running it into the ground are.
ReplyDeleteAll of this BS will only end one of two ways. We take out country back from the criminal parasites or we allow ourselves to be enslaved and become subjects.
Guess he'll perform the three S's after this.
ReplyDeleteI just spent a few days driving around the AZ/MEX border, you're nuts to be out in the open range without a gun. After seeing all that open space, hearing about the trouble that spills over the Border, including stray bullets, I'm quite surprised that this case isn't toss out.
ReplyDeleteIt's a sad day.
It's on my blog.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to know what its like to live on the border, get the documentary DVD "Border". (I think its at BorderMovie.com.) It was made in 2005-2006 and its only gotten worse since then.
ReplyDeleteI worked the Monument 40 section of New Mexico near Hachita (we called it, "The Crotch,") with the Minutemen in October 2005 and the sight of the good people I met who lived in abject fear made my blood boil.
I wonder why he didn't mow them all down and just use his excavator to remove the evidence.
ReplyDeleteBut really....how do they have any standing to sue for this??
Hate to burst your bubbles but the ILLEGAL ALIENS have already voted. They were instrumental in the last Presidential election. And with ACORN and other social engineering organizations receiving Billions and Billions of taxpayer political payoffs in the US Socialism and Pork Spending bill currently being debated (loose use of word) in the Congress, they'll be even more instrumental in the next round of elections with increasing power and influence as time goes by and Dems expand their rights and entitlements. Who knows maybe one of them will be the next foreign born POTUS? Cool huh??
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