Ashton Lundeby, 16, is being held under the USA Patriot Act on a criminal complaint that a bomb threat was made from his Oxford home the night of Feb. 15. [More]Coming soon for all those rightwing domestic terrorist extremists near you.
Hey, Mom, maybe it's time you did start "believ[ing] in guns."
I'm wondering what there is to lose for not going quietly if you think you can't even get a trial...
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Hmmmmm.... reasons for an innocent man to surrender quietly when he knows damned well that The Fix Is In....
ReplyDeleteNone spring immediately to mind.
Talk about un(?)intended consequences...
I have posed the question many times before. Why would any innocent man submit to trial?
ReplyDeleteBack when the Patriot Act was passed there were some of us who strenuously objected to it. We pointed to absolutely guaranteed abuse of it and the citizen under it. We were called paranoid.
At the time I used to be a regular on Gunboards.com. Myself and a few others could see the danger and treason in this legislation. We were vilified, abused and just talked to ugly by the super patriots. Wonder what those dumb sonsofbitches think of it now. Yeah, Dave Dudley and a few others, you know who you are.
Tell me again how violating the constitution is good for the country.
David, I am tired of trying to talk to the intentionally stupid, isn't it time yet to go all Claire Wolfe on them?
Is there any evidence that this actually has anything to do with the Patriot Act, other than the claims of the mother?
ReplyDeleteIf there is evidence of bomb threats being made from someone's home, I think this would happen without the Patriot Act.
the sad truth is when, and it will because we are known, they come it will be unannounced in the middle of the night, by many heavily armed and trained men out to prove something. I don't know how any one but a few will b e able to resist weather they want to or not. I truly believe the only way to stop this and the politicians who write this stuff daily is to eliminate them from office. otherwise what threat do they assume exists to convince them to stop?
ReplyDeletePATRIOT makes it a terrorist offense and the alleged threatener the next worst thing to a foreign combatant. I say "alleged" because remember the SWATtings done by hackers for fun? They use your email or phone line to call 911, the police bust down YOUR door like gangbusters, and the hackers have a jolly laugh over it.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's an exaggeration to say that no one is safe from PATRIOT Act abuse.
I can't help wondering if his folks didn't do this to him because it would be cheaper than sending the brat off to military school.
ReplyDeleteBottom line: any parent that has a problem kid can type an email on the kids computer and off the kid goes on the taxpayers dime. You can't make this stuff up.
I'm still not convinced that e-mailing out bomb threats or leaving them in phone messages isn't going to get the feds kicking in your door regardless of the Patriot Act.
ReplyDeleteThere are all manner of ways to frame someone with or without complex technology, but just claiming that you were framed doesn't make it true.
anon 2:11pm. The Patriot Act is the only way he can be held without trial or charges and arraignment.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the science involved in this internet. Can you really steal(?) someones ip address and use it to send an e-mail? The kid is 16 years old, when all this PATROIT ACT FOR ZEE DUTCHLAND ER FATHERLAND he was 8 years old. I said at the time it was an illegal act sponsored by Bush (whom I admired at the time) go figure. That you can you take a 16 year old and hold him incognito 2 or 3 states away is unexplainable to me.
ReplyDeleteLundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not.
ReplyDeleteum. no.
though, i wouldn't be surprised if the feds didn't understand DHCP.
Guilty until proven innocent -- if you live that long.
ReplyDeleteHeld three states away, when we know that rehabilitation -- when it's attempted -- relies heavily on contact with the family?
What's wrong with this picture? What ISN'T?
I say again: TV's "NCIS. Hero Jethro Gibbs threatens someone at least once a month with "Gitmo. No phone, no lawyer." They talk. And yes, they always turn out to be guilty.
Conditioning.
@tjbbpgobIII:
ReplyDeleteYes, an IP address can be stolen as such. It isn't that hard. If you have a few masking programs combined with IP generating programs, then there is almost no way to tell the real source, especially if they only do it once. Just a reminder that nothing in electronic form is safe or hack-proof. If it transfers bits and bytes it can be hacked, all it takes is a little time. Given that Paris Hilton, Sarah Palin and others have all had things hacked into and no one caught, it's safe to say that no one is safe on the internet. You'd be astonished what can be done by top tier hackers.
Here is a brief education on the topic: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1
Were he my son, I might not be able to free him, but I assure you there are a whole bunch of sons who would not get to see their fathers again, at least, not in this world.
ReplyDeleteYES, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, THAT IS A THREAT.
This is just mindless persecution of a young man, nothing more - though we can expect to see it happen again and again. It is no different than the morons who insist that we are a threat to them personally simply because we carry a gun.
ReplyDeleteThis young man's "threats" were no more real than the drawings of guns in grammar school, or the 1/4 inch plastic gun replica that gets a kid banished from school these days.
A real THREAT is one where the person has the intent, the opportunity and the MEANS to carry it out.
Someone writing angry words on a computer does not, alone, constitute a real threat no matter what they say. If they go out and plant bombs or start to shoot people, then they must be dealt with. Otherwise it is simply free speech. Probably stupid, and not productive, but words alone are not a threat.
Good point there Mamal. How many times to the cops tell victims if the criminal hasn't committed a crime against them they can't arrest them. So us poor slob citizens have to become a full on victim before LE does something and in many cases that means the victim is dead or damaged for life. However if some punk kid makes some noise on a computer against "them" its a serous threat that demands an arrest at once.
ReplyDeleteYes we have two standards because the Only One's lives are far more valuable than the piece of dirt citizen.
Words fail. Something must be done.
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ReplyDeleteThe history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
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For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offences
...T.Jefferson, 1776
"I'm wondering what there is to lose for not going quietly if you think you can't even get a trial..."
ReplyDeleteWhat, indeed?
Faking an IP address is just a more advanced form of putting a bogus return address typed on a letter sent through the post office. Draw your own conclusions on the motivations of the investigators and prosecutors.
ReplyDeleteI want to serve on that jury.