Shared. Our troops support Dr. Paul because they hate his policies? Not very likely.
We have military personnel scattered all over the world being reviled, wounded, and killed while attempting to "free" people who hate the United States. Ron Paul wants to bring these young people home and let those folks who hate us pound sand.
Notwithstanding the US (and the Wests) offten inane foreign policy (often driven by economics and cold-war calculation) can the Ron Paul apoligists blame the Moorish (Muslim) invasion of Spain in the 700's or the defeat of the Muslim invasion of Europe at Vienna in 1683 on American actions in the 20th Century?
Did we go to war against the Barbary Pirates (uh, yeah! Muslims) because we had done something to cause blowback (ie the Barbary Pirates siezure of commerical shipping).
Regardless of the West's various mistake the Islamic goal of world domination exists, and with their newfound oil-wealth they think once again its achievable.
Does that mean we need to declare "war on 1.2 billion Muslims"? Of course not. But we need to remember that there are a significant number of Muslims and Muslim states that do take their phophets command to spread Islam throughout the world. VIolently if necessary. There is a reason that a number of Muslim flags include the sword (and the crescnet moon which is a reference to their "phophets" actually being a moon-god worshipper).
9/11 may have been planned specifically because Bin Laden was upset that Saudi Arabia allowed us to put troops on that soil in the first gulf war but that is all part of the larger jihad to spread Islam.
If we pretend that it is only since WWII, the discovery of oil in the ME and the creation of Isreal that the Muslims hate us then we'll be violating the cardinal rule of "knowing your enemy".
Ron Paul has a kernal of the truth (our foreign policy is often bad and badly executed) but he fails miserably at seeing the larger picture.
Unfortunatley, most everybody else does too, on both sides of the debate.
@Scott, couldn't you apply the exact same reasoning to Christians? I mean, my own father (army 73-98) once told me that this is a religious war, and we need to be over there spreading Christian beliefs. Then there was the whole scandal with the Army Chaplain arguing the same thing. If there is a world-wide conspiracy by Muslims to spread Islam all over the world, then you have to equally admit that there is a world-wide conspiracy to spread Catholicism, Mormonism, Scientology, and a whole host of other religions too. Why are you so concerned about Islam? If you’re so applaud by that religion, please, re-read your Leviticus.
I guess I just don't understand what the "threat" of these people are. What are they going to do, come over here and bomb abortion clinics? Let'm. We've been inviting in undesirables for the last 250+ years. We're a melting pot, and if we've survived the crazy Germans, Irish, and the Catholics, and the Mormons, and now the Scientologists, we can take on Islam too. This is America, we shouldn't be afraid of a religion as long as we keep a separation of Church and State, and keep the Constitution in its highest place.
Well no fidelity, I can't say the same thing about Christians, that comparison is absurd on its face.
And for Iraq being a "religious" war? So to spread Christianity we've supported the creation an an explicitly Islamic state (2 of them actualy) and both are now actively purging themselves of the remaining non-Muslims. Those that are lucky have managed to flee but a whole lot are dead. Sure, its a religious war to spread Christianity - what nonsense.
As to what I expect to happen - well take a look at Europe. What happens when a tolerant society tries to absorb an intolerant believe system (Islam is not a religion but an all-encompassing way of life). You'll find that Islam is going to expect you to accomodate to their belief system at the expense of yours regardless of whether you are Christian, Jewish, atheist, non-religious (like me) or anything else.
Better get out of the PC mindset Fidelity and open your eyes.
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ReplyDeleteShared. Our troops support Dr. Paul because they hate his policies? Not very likely.
ReplyDeleteWe have military personnel scattered all over the world being reviled, wounded, and killed while attempting to "free" people who hate the United States. Ron Paul wants to bring these young people home and let those folks who hate us pound sand.
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ReplyDeleteNotwithstanding the US (and the Wests) offten inane foreign policy (often driven by economics and cold-war calculation) can the Ron Paul apoligists blame the Moorish (Muslim) invasion of Spain in the 700's or the defeat of the Muslim invasion of Europe at Vienna in 1683 on American actions in the 20th Century?
ReplyDeleteDid we go to war against the Barbary Pirates (uh, yeah! Muslims) because we had done something to cause blowback (ie the Barbary Pirates siezure of commerical shipping).
Regardless of the West's various mistake the Islamic goal of world domination exists, and with their newfound oil-wealth they think once again its achievable.
Does that mean we need to declare "war on 1.2 billion Muslims"? Of course not. But we need to remember that there are a significant number of Muslims and Muslim states that do take their phophets command to spread Islam throughout the world. VIolently if necessary. There is a reason that a number of Muslim flags include the sword (and the crescnet moon which is a reference to their "phophets" actually being a moon-god worshipper).
9/11 may have been planned specifically because Bin Laden was upset that Saudi Arabia allowed us to put troops on that soil in the first gulf war but that is all part of the larger jihad to spread Islam.
If we pretend that it is only since WWII, the discovery of oil in the ME and the creation of Isreal that the Muslims hate us then we'll be violating the cardinal rule of "knowing your enemy".
Ron Paul has a kernal of the truth (our foreign policy is often bad and badly executed) but he fails miserably at seeing the larger picture.
Unfortunatley, most everybody else does too, on both sides of the debate.
Scott
Phx, AZ
@Scott, couldn't you apply the exact same reasoning to Christians? I mean, my own father (army 73-98) once told me that this is a religious war, and we need to be over there spreading Christian beliefs. Then there was the whole scandal with the Army Chaplain arguing the same thing. If there is a world-wide conspiracy by Muslims to spread Islam all over the world, then you have to equally admit that there is a world-wide conspiracy to spread Catholicism, Mormonism, Scientology, and a whole host of other religions too. Why are you so concerned about Islam? If you’re so applaud by that religion, please, re-read your Leviticus.
ReplyDeleteI guess I just don't understand what the "threat" of these people are. What are they going to do, come over here and bomb abortion clinics? Let'm. We've been inviting in undesirables for the last 250+ years. We're a melting pot, and if we've survived the crazy Germans, Irish, and the Catholics, and the Mormons, and now the Scientologists, we can take on Islam too. This is America, we shouldn't be afraid of a religion as long as we keep a separation of Church and State, and keep the Constitution in its highest place.
Thanks for posting this David.
USAF 03-07
Well no fidelity, I can't say the same thing about Christians, that comparison is absurd on its face.
ReplyDeleteAnd for Iraq being a "religious" war? So to spread Christianity we've supported the creation an an explicitly Islamic state (2 of them actualy) and both are now actively purging themselves of the remaining non-Muslims. Those that are lucky have managed to flee but a whole lot are dead. Sure, its a religious war to spread Christianity - what nonsense.
As to what I expect to happen - well take a look at Europe. What happens when a tolerant society tries to absorb an intolerant believe system (Islam is not a religion but an all-encompassing way of life). You'll find that Islam is going to expect you to accomodate to their belief system at the expense of yours regardless of whether you are Christian, Jewish, atheist, non-religious (like me) or anything else.
Better get out of the PC mindset Fidelity and open your eyes.
Scott
Phx, AZ