Dear David Codrea,Dear Burt Constable,
Thanks for the link to your blog. I've heard from a couple of your readers who sent me the link suggesting that I am sexually inadequate and want to take away the guns of my sexually superior brethren so that we can all be emasculated equals. And yes, I did hear from some less articulate gun owners who say that we need to have guns to keep black men from raping our womenfolk.
OK. So how did that old lady having a gun improve her situation? That is the only point I made about her situation. So tell me how she was better off because she had her .22.
It's irresponsible for me to keep a gun for home protection as I have children who should not be entrusted with life-and-death decisions. But if I did want to protect myself, I'd have a shotgun that would increase my odds of hitting an intruder and decrease my odds of killing some child in the apartment next door. And I certainly wouldn't mindlessly defend people who want military weapons that aren't good for hunting or home protection.
In the situation you mentioned, would you have been better off if more people had been carrying guns? Had I stumbled upon the scene and saw you brandishing a gun at some fleeing young people, would I have the right to assume you are a threat and pull out my gun. Might a call to 9-1-1 have had a similar effect?
The NRA is not about "rifles." It is a shill for the gun manufacturers who are willing to use fear as the fuel to market guns.
Thanks for the dialog.
Sincerely,
Burt Constable
The point you're missing is that one of the roles traditionally assumed by American males is that of protector--of themselves, their families and their communities. By your own words, you declare yourself hopelessly inadequate to the task. And nice try playing the race card--it's not we Second Amendment activists disparaging the right of all peaceable people to keep and bear arms--it's you. Still, should someone of any color decide to rape your "womenfolk," exactly what would you be prepared to do about it?
And no, that's not "the only point" you were making. Your lead sentence:
A handgun is not some useful tool that offers its owner safety and piece of mindextrapolates a specific anecdote into a generality, and then you call in Joan Burbick to bolster that thesis at the national level. So try that sleight of mind on someone who's not watching.
No one has ever claimed that a gun will always help in all specific instances--particularly when massive police criminality is involved. That would just be foolish. But so, too, is taking one specific case and applying it to all potentialities, and the fact remains--which you have avoided responding to--guns in private hands are used to save lives and deter violence, and removing them from private hands enables predators.
It's irresponsible for you not to keep a gun in the home. Your thesis here is that all homes with children must be defenseless. That, of course, is exactly backwards. The most precious lives, the ones that trust us for everything, are the ones we have the greatest responsibility to protect. Children can be taught to safely coexist with firearms. Millions do. It's all a matter of age-appropriate training, and of course, responsible parenting. It's the anomalies that get the headlines.
Your most telling statement is "If I did want to protect myself..."
What the hell? But then, it's clear you don't. You're not up to the responsibility.
As for your choice of theoretical home defense tool, yeah, shotguns can work well under certain situations, but there's no reason for a trained person to decrease their chances of survival by limiting their tactical options. And you may not "mindlessly defend" people who wish to use "military weapons that aren't good for hunting or home protection," but that statement is pretty mindless in its own right. First, you're falling right into Josh Sugarmann's plot to deceive the ignorant and weak-minded by confusing semiautomatic firearms with full-blown machine guns, but secondly--what in the world are your qualifications for offering such an assessment? Would you like to try shotgun vs "assault weapon" in a "home protection" situation and test your theory? And since when is the Second Amendment about hunting?
As for the dgu situation I related, I have no doubt I made the right choices that night. Your second-guessing and dithering, and (Jesus, did you really recommend this?) Dialing 911 is just a hoot.
It's obvious, Burt, you've been indoctrinated with sound bites and have neither the curiosity nor the intellectual honesty to examine what are, in fact, superstitions you've bought into. But that won't stop you from passing yourself off to your readers as an informed and authoritative voice to be heeded, which is their problem--and yours. Because those of us who know better consider you a fraud--and not a very skillful one at that.
Still, I'd like to leave you with one last challenge.
Go rent the movie "In Cold Blood." Gather the family around so they can watch it with you. You can stop after the scene where the killers have bound and executed the helpless Clutter family, and then explain to everyone why the Daddy was powerless to protect any of them so that the bad men could execute them all.
And I'll even save you the need to give everyone excuses about safety, and guns and kids, and all the other reasons why you have chosen to be disarmed, which as Machiavelli observed, is "to be contemptible." Simply hold their hands, look them in the eye and say:
Mommy won't let me.And if you really want to assert your prowess, you can promise to hit any home intruders with Joan Burbick's book.
Yeah, Burt. Thanks for the dialog.
Sincerely,
David Codrea
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"Kathryn Johnston's Gun to Blame for Her Death"
"Burt Constable Replies"
Whooee, David! I wish I were that eloquent when trying to refute these idjits! EXCELLENT rebuttal!
ReplyDeleteYes David, that was excellent.
ReplyDeleteWhat would have happened if "that old lady" did not have a gun?
It is becoming more and more evident that this "anti crime" unit is staffed by criminals. Each new news report and blog entry details further criminal activity by this department.
If Mrs. Johnston did not have a firearm that evening, her privacy would have been invaded and her private property damaged. The damage to her home after they broke through her burglar bars and front door would possibly been to costly for her to adequately repair, leaving her defenseless against the run of the mill criminal, not just the JBT's. The media and blog-o-sphere would not have gotten involved in the story and the criminals with undercover badges would still be on the loose. As with a majority of violent criminals, each successful act emboldens them to be even more violent in the future. How many more innocent families would have been terrorized by these goblins?The next firefight instigated by these JBT's could have been in a home with young children.
Mrs. Johnstone did pay with her life, but it appears that she put a stop to this particular "gang" of thugs with badges. She has brought national attention to a situation that has been getting increasingly more violent throughout the country. As a society, we owe her a debt of gratitude.
Mr. Constable, your decision to not protect yourself and your family is not only illogical, it is immoral and contributes to the increasing violence in our society.
Sorry this went a bit long David
"And I certainly wouldn't mindlessly defend people who want military weapons that aren't good for hunting or home protection."
ReplyDeleteUh, didn't the Supreme Court, in Miller, say that the Second Amendment specifically covers military weapons, and therefore remanded the case to the lower court to determine whether or not Miller's sawed-off shotgun qualified?
...Which I interpret as meaning that the 2nd isn't aimed at "hunting or home protection" (or, for that matter, mantle-piece antiques, punching holes in paper, or breaking beer bottles, although those are all by-the-way protected).
It's intended to protect the right of citizens to defend their liberty against uppity government employees, foreign and domestic. Of course, that's also specifically why government employees of all stripes tend to think it's a bad idea.
In looking at both sides of this issue, it is clear that David has the more thoughful and reasoned statements. While Burt's statements are without any clear lines or moral compass, which tells me they are purely emotional based.
ReplyDeleteFurther, as to the specific facts of attempting to defend yourself from armed criminal intruders, it would seem that a more military style of weapon might be desired. Not that that would instantly mean a win in any battle, but not knowing whether you will win or lose does not mean a battle isn't worth fighting. I see Kathryn Johnston's death as noble on her part and likely murder on the part of invading officers.
While I may still hold a fear about some guns it is becoming clearer everyday that the usefulness of firearms in the hands of my neighbors is actually protecting me.
If Kathryn hadn't put up a fight, the next house could very well have been mine.
"And I certainly wouldn't mindlessly defend people who want military weapons that aren't good for hunting or home protection"
ReplyDeleteHmmm, my Remington 700 in .223 and my AR15 in .223 both do the same damage...if it DID happen and that was the closest weapon I could get to safely, which would I want, a bolt action with limited capacity or a one-shot-per-pull semi-automatic? Both would do the same damage one's just easier to serve up quickly in a stressful situation. I guess when Burt has his way and I'm limited to the bolt gun I can always use it's heavier stock as a club.
Her main problem was that she had a small caliber weapon, the type the gun banners say aren't on the list. You can see the problem with this specifically in this case, it is inadequate for the self defense role. Fine for small game and targets, but NOT for fending off armed thugs.
This kid has more courage then Burt'll EVER have.
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/text/stories/20061130-A13-00.php
Burt, I suggest if you hold the view that it's irresponsible to have a gun in the home that you take your kids out of public school where armed cops and dept. of education employees are armed. Better yet, just hand them over to the state for safe keeping. I won't bother looking for any of the stories of children defending their parents against an armed intruder (they HAVE happened) Most ammunition won't penetrate a cement fire wall.
If I were armed and chasing "young people" (I just love your ageism) from my home and you saw me I would hope you would call 911 and get a good long look at them if you were to scared to assist in detaining them.
The NRA isn't a shill for gun manufacturers, cops like these have done more to sell guns then the NRA ever has. The media with their "if it bleeds it leads" news(gag) do more to sell guns.
The largest problem here is the police and the way they operate. They took the word of one person, apparently did no investigation into the legitimacy of his claims, then proceeded to send in officers dressed as every day people in a no knock raid. As I pointed out earlier, ANYONE can kick in a door claiming to be the police.
http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/10422880/detail.html Why would they possibly do that if the house was suspected to be a drug house, they're always claiming that drug dealers have guns, so why not send in a swat team clearly marked and displaying police ID? Why, because they were there to make themselves a little money or terrorize an elderly black woman.
Actually, the gun would probably have made no difference since these ninja-cops have killed unarmed home dwellers as often, or more often, than armed homeowners. These true victims were shot dead holding TV remotes, coffee cups, and even a bag of cheetos (if I remember that last one right).
ReplyDeletePlus, his article is factually incorrect. For example: A review of FBI data for the past five years shows that women are roughly 4-5 times more likely to be murdered by someone OTHER THAN a husband or boyfriend.
Very good rebuttal David! That piece you linked to in "Machiavelli observed" is excellent. There are quotes in it that I've never seen before! (More ammunition to add in the stockpile!)
ReplyDeleteThose that desire to deprive people of the The Right, long held as being God-given, Inherent and Inalienable. Can very well be considered as cowards. Or, subversives attempting to undermine
the very basis on which our government(s) were founded. (In either event, cowardice still plays a role). No other logical conclusion can be drawn other than those two.
The Right of the American citizen to Keep and Bear their own private arms, for defensive use. Cannot possibly be negated. It exists, despite ANY usurpatory or tyrannical government edict, mandate or 'law'. It is a Natural Right, long considered as the First Law of Nature. It is the badge of authority for a Free citizen - the TRUE Sovereign Authority.
If memory serves Mr. Constable (it was very difficult to not make a childish but apt misspelling of his name) stated earlier that her possession of a gun was the reason and justification for her death by armed intruders.
ReplyDeleteIf that is so, does it not logically follow that when someone is spotted in possession of a firearm it is incumbent upont the rest of us to gun them down without warning?
Wouldn't we deplete the ranks of police departments rather quickly if possession of a firearm justified their killing? Especially if it is considered justified in the confines of one's own home, how could it not be justified when such possession is flaunted in public?
Mr. Constable's intellect remind me partially of a Texas river. A Texas river is a mile wide and a quarter inch deep. He has the depth, but not the breadth of intellect to be taken seriously.
Wish I could apprise him of this, but alas, I fear he is beyond the reach of reason.
all 1/4" of him.
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