Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson is pushing legislation aimed at assault weapons. [More]That's because Bob Ferguson is a subversive oath-breaker who knows "progressive" domination will let him get away with it.
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Monday, January 09, 2017
In Your Face and Pushing wherever They Can
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Taken to Task
Someone was offended by my UK question (see original comment for his active links):
Sure, we know non-criminal Brits are ALLOWED to possess certain sporting arms but we also know what they’re NOT ALLOWED to have:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45/section/1
Again, the whole premise here is civil war. It's like I should have put the words in the title or something.
That’s it for me—I’ve got work to do and little time to get it done before I sign off on my hiatus, so feel free to continue airing your grievances without me .
Signalman 9 January, 2017, 12:05
Frankly, David Codrea, I expected better than this regurgitated BS from you. Quoting from Sky TV and GunPolicy.org as though they were reliable sources, FFS??????? How would you like it if I trusted HuffPo and the NYT to give me the facts about the US? Get a bloody GRIP, man - and try checking the facts, which are all in the public domain!!If HuffPo or NYT writes something that is true, it would be a logical fallacy to discount it because you disagree with their politics. What did I quote from either Sky News or GunPolicy.org that is not true? Specifically?
OK, let's commence with the hatchet job here:"In the United Kingdom, the right to private ownership is not protected by law."So what’s your beef? Aside from wanting to engage in a “hatchet job”? You said what I quoted is true. I did not say ‘self-defence’ was illegal, albeit we all saw what happened with Tony Martin. I do maintain self-defense is more effective and likely to have a happier outcome the more effective an individual’s choice of weapons. But the topic here is civil war.
That's true - but the the law in this country is very clear: an individual is entitled to protect themselves or others; they may inflict violence and/or use weapons to do so; the level of violence may include killing the assailant; and an individual may even act pre-emptively and still be found to have acted in self-defence.http://www.protectingyourself.co.uk/self-defence-law.html
"The law on the use of force against someone committing a crime is very similar to that on the use of force in self-defence. However, unlike the law on self-defence, it has been set out in statute. The Criminal Law Act 1967 states that an individual is entitled to use reasonable force to prevent a crime being committed."http://www.protectingyourself.co.uk/law-on-using-force-against-someone-committing-a-crime.htmlAgain, the topic here is civil war.
As the barrister (attorney) makes clear in her article, reasonable force includes lethal force. The word 'reasonable' runs throughout English law, and recent court cases have interpreted it like this; if you shot a 6 year old who was trying to steal sweets from a shop, that would not be allowed as 'reasonable force'. If you shot armed criminals who were threatening yourself or your family, that would be seen by the courts and the police as 'reasonable force'. Not quite as defenceless as you thought, eh, David?What’s the topic here again?
You describe us as being limited to " tightly-controlled sporting arms”; the way that comes across is though there are only a handful of guns in Britain - actually, there are three million rifles, shotguns and handguns in private ownership. As for being 'tightly-controlled' - do you know how difficult it is to get a firearms or shotgun licence in Britain? Unless you have criminal connections, or mental health problems, it's no more tedious or time consuming than getting a first driving licence - and a heck of a lot cheaper.http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shooting/start-shooting/get-firearms-certficate-39303http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shooting/start-shooting/how-to-get-shotgun-certificate-licence-32358#o6jZBmXRM3aGIreV.99The ONLY reason that so many Brits do not own a gun is because they don't want one - and certainly not because our laws make it that difficult to get one - let alone impossible.How it “comes across” to you is not much concern of mine, seeing your combative attitude and how you’re spoiling to take umbrage. They are tightly controlled—licensed and registered. And that so many CHOOSE not to own arms seems to make my point about asking how Brits would fight a civil war.
I'm baffled as to why you seem to think that "if it ain't a semi-auto, it ain't worth crap!" Hunters in England find bolt-action rifles lethal against red deer and wild boar - but why don't you put it to the test, David? Get someone to shoot you with a .270 bullet, fired from a bolt-action rifle, or a .44 magnum fired from a lever action rifle (both of which are routinely sold in England) and see how non-lethal you find it.https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/midland-gun-company/bolt-action/270/160426110718006https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/rossi/lever-action/44-magnum/puma-161122074955002Why -- are you offering to shoot me with one of those? No, of course I wouldn’t, nor would I like to be bludgeoned with a club or bashed with a rock. Does that mean you win this round? Besides, I never said what you're accusing me of saying. And again, the topic here is civil war scenario.
You quote GunPolicy.org to the effect that we are not allowed to possess semi-automatics or handguns (pistols or revolvers) in the UK. Oh, yeah? Then tell me what these are, David?https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/anschutz/semi-auto/22-lr/525-161220172858005https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/remington/semi-auto/12-gauge/1100-synthetic-160311203352001https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/pistols-long-barrel/gsg/semi-auto/22-lr/1911-standard-170101154009713https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/pistols-black-powder/pietta/revolver/44/remington-1858-150210115220001Yes, I quote GunPolicy.org, which I acknowledged is no friend but nonetheless has compiled global laws on the books—if you know of a cite that’s wrong, point it out. I said "the gist"-- I gave a link, and the entries have cite numbers and links if you want to know more details.
Sure, we know non-criminal Brits are ALLOWED to possess certain sporting arms but we also know what they’re NOT ALLOWED to have:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45/section/1
Again, the whole premise here is civil war. It's like I should have put the words in the title or something.
As for our rights to the private ownership not being guaranteed by law - correct me if I'm wrong, but I have read on US websites that the majority of US states will only allow concealed carry if you get a licence from the state government. Further, that you cannot get a concealed carry permit at all in such places as New Jersey, NYC, Chicago and Washington DC. So much for the Second Amendment, about which so many Americans constantly brag, which 'guarantees' that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed". Tell THAT to the families of the US Marines murdered in the USMC recruiting office in Chattanooga, who were forbidden to have their issue sidearms with them!Conflate much? You really don’t understand the difference between PRIVATE OWNERSHIP and concealed carry? And why so triumphant in pointing out there are infringements here? Thanks for the tip! But as long as you bring it up, educate us on carrying in the UK.
As for sending us guns, I suggest you send them to places like Cook County, Illinois - whose need is far greater than ours.That remains to be seen. Cook is still surrounded by the USA.
And, with regards to the likelihood and likely outcome of civil war in Britain, try reading this piece, written by someone who - UNLIKE YOU - is well informed:http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/reflections-on-civil-war-in-britain.htmlDid I declare it unlikely? Did you not read the fourth paragraph? I merely expressed doubts about who would initiate it and asked if it came from freedom-seekers “with what?”
And stick to writing about America.Glad you’ve decided to be the arbiter of discussions I’m allowed to invite people to have, sources I'm allowed to use and questions I'm allowed to ask.
That’s it for me—I’ve got work to do and little time to get it done before I sign off on my hiatus, so feel free to continue airing your grievances without me .
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition
Charlotte pastor charged in armed robberies of 9 businesses [More]Another member of the Opposite Day "progressive faith communities against gun violence"...?
[Via Florida Guy]
I'm Ready for My Close-Up, Mr. DeMille
So far it looks like the fundraising isn't where it should be, but don't take that as a sign that the production won't happen -- it will, and you can help. I was pleased to see the values, equipment and capabilities are first-rate. It was great seeing CA again and meeting TL and Sammi Lee, who impressed me quite a bit.
If at First You Don't Succeed
Federal Government Files for Certiorari to Supreme Court Over Its Loss in Second Amendment Case Binderup -- The consolidated case overturned the application of U.S. Code 922(g)(1) in two cases where the convicted criminals' crimes were not serious enough to deny them Second Amendment rights, according to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals. [More]Be interesting to see if Trump and Sessions back off.
[Via Paul G]
Monitoring the 2017 Arizona Legislative Session
The 2017 Arizona Legislative session will officially convene on Monday, January 9. Over 1,000 new bills are expected to be filed. AzCDL researches all proposed legislation for language that may impact your right to keep and bear arms. Relevant bills, and their status, will appear on our Bill Tracking page. In addition to providing links and basic information on legislation, we add our position along with a plain language summary and comments. [More]The page is updated daily.
Unclear on Her Irrelevance
Meryl Streep Takes on Donald Trump at Golden Globes [More]Come on, stage propette-- make that Harvey movie. I dare you.
I can't wait to see you lose more money than Miss Sloane.
Couldn't Happen in a Nicer Place
Four Suspects in Gang-Related Murder Case Are IllegalsMembers of notorious MS-13 gang charged with killing of N.J. man were based in 'sanctuary' county [More]Give those boys a pathway to citizenship!
For the Children
ISIS Shows Preschooler Killing Victim Tied to Carnival Ball Pit [More]Say gang, I've got a swell idea! Let's bring these people here!
And for My Next Trick...
Magician David Blaine shoots himself in the mouth as famous bullet stunt goes wrong [More]Well you know he had the load calculated and all, but still...
I wonder if there are states he can't perform this stunt in, because, after all, it's still a firearm...
'Tolerance' Means You Also Have to Foot the Bill
The unemployed former Asda worker asked the NHS to freeze his eggs before he completed his full transition, in the hope he might have children years later. [More]Not to be outdone:
A 57-year-old convicted killer serving a life sentence in California became the first U.S. inmate to receive state-funded sex-reassignment surgery...Any culture that steals from the productive to do this cannot survive -- which is evidently the intent.
Who will Inform on the Informants?
Prosecutors want California man to remove blog posts on FBI informants in refuge occupation case [More]Evidently, just quoting excerpts without posting the actual records "jeopardizes ongoing investigations." Kind'a like Fedgov can accuse Russia of hacking, but can't show us the evidence because of the same reason.
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