Thursday, January 04, 2018

Taken to Task

Instead of focusing on the evil police would it not be better to educate the public to comply? [More]
I believe this merits wider exposure than a simple comment reply. Here's my response to key points made by comment poster "American Patriot" to my latest Oath Keepers piece.

I specifically addressed the details of the 911 call and acknowledged "No doubt about it, responding officers were primed to expect the worst." And I also provided a good reason the response team had to question the call that I don't see being addressed in the "news": Did anyone on scene ask why what was reported as a one-story house (@2:54) was actually two with an attic window? Might such an inquiry have raised a flag that intel was suspect? Is not everyone -- including responding officers -- safer knowing that?

What my critic calls "Monday morning quarterbacking," I call an "after-action report"  based on information the police have released to the media. Yeah, I linked to the Williamson piece because he made an experience-based point, but my own "recommendations" were in the form of questions I believe legitimate and fair:
So what can be done?  Raise police awareness? More training? What about when hesitation proves a fatal mistake?
In re the comment that "the ability of law enforcement to know everyone in his assigned area is virtually impossible," the same can be said in spades for the military. A previous comment by "Tim Allen" seems relevant:
I served in the first Gulf war under strict rules of engagement and I had my butt puckered tight a few times with the slack out of the trigger, but I could not pull the the trigger until all three of the required items were clearly present. Remembering those three things probably kept me out of Leavenworth prison, because there was danger and likely ambushes 24/7. The times I withheld fire, the threat passed and I was relieved that I would not have an unnecessary kill investigated for being trigger happy.
In re his assertion that the "reference to LaVoy Finnecum is apples and oranges," no, it's not. Read what the men who shot him reported as their "justification". Just to be logically consistent, how does my critic calling it "an assassination" (which I don't disagree with) not qualify -- by his own criteria -- as"Monday morning quarterbacking"?

And how is it "vilifying police" to call for transparency, accountability, a complete public record to include the name and relevant information about the officer who shot an unarmed citizen, and the release of bodycam recordings being withheld?

As for his assurance that "the vast majority [of "good" police] operate in a world that you cannot understand," juxtapose that against his admonishment against the victim's noncompliance.  First of all, without a better look, I can't say what the victim did or did not do and how that matches with what police are telling us -- and neither can he.

And as long as it's fair to dismiss qualifications to observe and form an opinion based on my lack of professional qualification (i.e., I'm not an "Only One" so I just can't possibly know), how he'd fare over the first few seconds of being rousted from minding his own business in his own home to the terrifying experience of being screamed at with lights shining in his face is unknown. People react in automatic ways sometimes, until their brains can start to make sense of the immediately improbable and unfamiliar.

As for "educating the public to comply," wouldn't that fall on those putting the public at risk? Anybody see any "instant submission" training being provided by those who demand it?

I'd actually like to see that, making it as realistic as possible -- while it would lack the essential element of surprise, it would sure wake a lot of people up.

5 comments:

Carl "Bear" Bussjaeger said...

Or little things like the alleged "perp" being outside at the same time that he was on the phone with the cops. House wrong description, "perp," not on phone, "perp" not acting in a hostile/disturbed manner... cop shoots from distant cover even as orders are being given.

Carl "Bear" Bussjaeger said...

I'm going to make another point about swatting itself.

In E911, the call center gets the originating location of the caller. For wireline, this comes from a hard databases that matches the phone to an address. For cell, the location is forwarded by the cell provider based on GPS or cell site TDOA.

In an age of Google Maps, Mapquest, MapBox, and other coordinate mapping services, there is no reason why E911 centers shouldn't be matching alleged locations with actual locations before dispatching hit squads.

There is one location issue with swatting, which most of these psychos take advantage of as I understand it: CallerID spoofing. They use an online service that forwards their call and insert falsified CallerID data (which itself is a felony). But there's a way around that.

When I was still in the industry, SS7 signaling was almost universal for the PSTN. By now, the occasional non-SS7 call should be very rare.

Very briefly, SS7 is data that identify a call origin, the path it has taken, where it needs to go, and is used by the receiving switch to figure the best route for the next leg. It is the basis of CallerID, naturally.

When a call comes into a switch with faked SS7 data claiming that it's on a trunk originating in Wichita, but the switch sees it on an overseas trunk (for instance), it should be flagged as false data. For E911 calls, the displayed CallerID message could be "FALSIFIED ORIGIN VERIFY LOCATION." The phone system routinely inserts other data into the CallerID field, which is why you see "UNKNOWN NUMBER" on spammer calls.

Implementing that would eliminate quite a few swatting calls, and defuse most of the remaining.

The feds could subpoena phone companies for call routing data (already done routinely; I used to andle that sometimes) on all these faked E911 SWAT calls, and determine their actual origin point (the online spoofing service). That origin, if in the US, could be hit with felony charges for each and every faked CallerID message, and murder conspiracy charges for assisting in swatting. For overseas spoofers, the feds could get a court (most likely via the FCC) to dump them off the PST network, and then purse exrreadition to faces charges in the US.

FedUp said...

It's 'vilifying police' to oppose murder, because the person who calls it 'vilifying' believes all police to be murderers.

Kent McManigal said...

You can't really "vilify police" any more than you can vilify child molesters- the acts they commit are self-vilifying. Supporting cops is disgusting.

The Wicked Duke said...

Yeah, no.

"Instant submission" isn't even vaguely in the cards, buddy.

If for no other reason than lawless criminal gangs who don't also happen to be cops *already* frequently yell "Police!" "County Sheriff!" and such like, in order to create confusion and hesitation in their intended victims.

I'm about as far from a reflexive cop hater as you can get - I'm alive because of the timely arrival of state police at a scene that was rapidly heading for lethal bloodshed.

But FFS, between flash-banging a toddler in his crib (and an official in that department actually suggesting that it was somehow the kid's fault he was severely injured), the multiple atrocities we've seen out of the Mesa AZ department, and dozens of other incidents where after the funerals were over, the official response was "The police have investigated the police and found that the police properly followed all the police procedures and police policies.", I for damned sure don't think it's at all prudent to extend any sort of blanket trust anymore.

Hell, that young black guy in Texas (IIRC) who was standing outside his vehicle at a gas station, and was *told* to get his insurance/registration info, to which he nodded his head, said 'yes sir" and eagerly complied - and then the cop shot him as he turned/reached inside to get his documents.
Because 'he moved too fast'.

Keyed up/hyper-vigilant, "Us" versus "Them" bullshit.
"Everyone wants to kill us cops!"

IMO, what it REALLY is, is *entirely* too much of that idiot Grossman, with not nearly enough Peel.