Monday, February 11, 2008

Bloody Damned Hypocrite

How does he get by doing anything from a DC address?



[Via Vinnie and Raven's Beak]
Posted by David Codrea at 2/11/2008 05:15:00 PM

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Did you notice there is no trade name?

Perhaps this is that elusive Federal license to carry everywhere that I have been trying to nail down forever, and been assured that they do not exist.

I offer this in support. The BATFE will not issue a C&R or dealers' license to anyone who lives in areas where local laws prohibit the activity. To even move your collection to another residence requires a resubmission of application and the ATF clearly states that its issuance is predicated upon compliance of the licensee with all state and local laws and will be rejected if it is determined to be counter to the laws of the new residence. Thus, a C&R holder may not move his collection without permission. Yet this license was issued to a DC resident where he is not allowed to own, possess, use, or even move from one room of his home to another with a firearm. So, obviously this is that elusive "carry anywhere and fuck 'em if they don't like it" license I have been assured does not exist, even though I know a have personally known a man who holds one. He too, by the way, was of very poor character. A thief in Virginia State Police Uniform until his retirement.

He was stopped in Boston with his piece and the cops thought they had him, until he showed them he could carry any damn where he wished and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. He can carry on commercial vehicles and nobody can stop him. Ironically, his carry gun is one of a matched set he stole (illegally confiscated) from a collector. The judge who heard the case when the suit came to trial has the other to the matched set.

Sorry for the rant, but I have never been able to get anyone in any government position to admit this license exists, even though I have seen it work. I think maybe now I have actually seen it.

Regardless, the Bureau has violated the policy it claims all must follow before a license may be issued. Unless, of course, it is that elusive "Carry Anywhere" license.

2/11/2008 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...

Maybe this Mr Sugarmann is a "Special" Only One.

2/11/2008 7:27 PM
Anonymous said...

If they even choose to comment on this, which I highly doubt they will, the spin will no doubt be "We have many people attempt to turn guns into our office, and in order to accommodate taking and destroying these guns, we solicited help from the BATF in obtaining a federal firearms license so we could legally take possession."

Of course, how the hell they a) got and b) still have a license is something the ATF should answer, but again, probably won't.

2/11/2008 9:51 PM
Anonymous said...

they certainly don't have a brick and mortar storefront with regular hours as has been required for a long time now. There is no way they could have met the ATF's regs. Yet they have it.

Jail time is indicated here for all involved, ALL. In and out of the ATF.

2/12/2008 12:36 AM
Anonymous said...

This is some really old news...GOA broke it back in 1995. It's fabulous that the blogosphere is drawing so much attention to it though!

http://www.gunowners.org/op9509.htm

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His monograph, More Gun Dealers Than Gas Stations, became the source for the debate on FFLs in the next Congress. (Mr. Sugarmann is listed as the holder of two FFLs himself--both giving Washington, DC addresses, one being that of his Violence Policy Center.)
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2/12/2008 8:16 PM
Anonymous said...

Yes, this is really old news… Alan Gottlieb and I "busted" Sugarmann's infiltration of the 1991 Gun Rights Policy Conference in Philadelphia… no big whoop since it was open admission. But I've seen Sugarmann at both SHOT Shows in Texas in the mid'90s and at one of Andy Molchan's Firearms Trade Expos in Atlantic City in '97 or '98, each time wearing an FFL Dealer's admission badge.

But some here are ignoring the Type 03 (C&R) FFL, a much easier licensee to obtain, and one with less strict requirements, only that the firearms obtained are on ATF's Curios and Relics list. Many collectors go this route.

2/12/2008 10:49 PM

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