[Because this involves certain disclosures, the Author chooses to remain anonymous.--DC]
I just returned from the gun store and boy was it depressing. This is my observation from the front lines;
I have been a gun BUYER / collector for +/- 33 years. I purchased my first (legal) gun at 10:05 am on the morning of my 18th birthday. I was lined up at the door before the store opened. Since that day, I buy guns like people try to max out their IRA's.
Since January 2000 when the kalifornia "one a month" law took effect I took that as a minimum requirement and I have purchased in excess of a gun a month, every month for the last 100 months.
What do I see after 30 + years? Eight out of the ten gun stores I have regularly shopped at are closed, gone, out of business. The two that are left are playing to a captive audience and they treat their customers as if they have come to the DMV.
There are no kids in the store(s). It is no wonder the gun business is dying.
I was in a gun store this afternoon to pick up a couple of guns and there must have been in excess of a dozen people in the store. One of the "clerks" called out "who's picking up a gun?" and I was the only person to raise my hand out of the throng - Everyone there was a tire kicker or time waster. No one (apparently) was there to spend money.
I have lamented before that most people that frequent gun stores are time wasters. Sitting at the counter shooting the breeze, handling stuff, friends of the owner hanging out, wanna be "men" who don't buy guns because their wives won't allow one in the house but they want to hold one. This is what a gun store has become.
I used to spend a lot of time in gun stores when I was younger. I don't hang out much in the gun stores anymore - although I do spend money. I come in before they open, do the insidious stack of paperwork and leave before they open or I come in, get business done and leave but if there is one thing I have never seen in any gun store FOREVER it is the majority of the crowd spending money.
When I was a kid, the gun store was the mens club. Now, the decline is painful to watch. With the coming micro stamping it is possible that the only companies selling guns in kalifornia will be S & W and Ruger and the gun business will be unsustainable. Add to that the proposed ammo licensing and what ever other crap becomes fashionable. In my view we are watching the last 10 years of the firearms business in kalifornia. (Unless the result of Heller is to tell the state to F*** OFF - but I don't think that is likely)
I would like to see S & W and Ruger and others take the principled stand that Ronnie Barrett took and refuse to sell guns, ammunition and replacement parts to any kalifornia agency or officer because barring that, the gun business in kalifornia will be LEO centered if not exclusive and there will be no private gun business. But I'm not holding my breath.
Combine this move toward restrictive legislation and dealers embracing (bending over for) the state with a lack of product diversity or availability and people not spending money in the stores and there is no gun business in kalifornia.
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
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There were 9 gun stores within an hours drive when I moved here 7 yrs. ago. Now there are four.I offer free transport to and from gun shows, free lunch and your first 100 rds. of ammo for free. I offer free transport,lunch,range fees, ammo,gun use,hearing and eye protection, and instruction for anyone who wants it, within my communication. Waiting for someone to break loose of their mothers' or wifes' apron strings is causing me to grind my teeth at night. I reload my own ammo.I've gotten a few good converts though, and it's worth it. But blank blank,blank,blank,blank,how in the blank,blank,blank did so many whussies land in Texas?
I can't understand why the guy keeps staying in that country. Every dime he pay's in taxes goes to a Marxist government that's out to destroy America.
To take this one step in the same direction of feeding evil state governments. I refuse to buy any firearm from IL, and there are two companies in that state that make some nice AR's that I wouldn't mind having one of. I will not support them because I know they pay a king's ransom in taxes to the state of IL and the folks running that state are folks who hate the American people's rights and freedoms.
If you as firearm owners live or buy from a state that has freedom hating government then you are helping the attacks on all American's rights and freedoms. In fact there's no difference in supporting out of control government then cops at ATF saying, "just doing my job".
Yea I know, harsh but spot on. You are with us or you are against us. Living and buying from freedom hating states is against us.
My words only reflect my views and I follow up with them.
God that's depressing alright.
I have lived in a few different states and have seen the differences in the stores from state to state. In Colorado, the gun stores I went to were happy and friendly. Here in PA, I have yet to find one that doesn't eye me suspiciously. The clerks/owners are very curt and don't say anything more than is necessary. I have to wonder if it is the political climate in this area. Maybe too many goons checking up on them, making them jumpy.
I only have 10 more days in PA, though.
Avg Joe
I feel exactly as you do and I too act on it HOWEVER, if you collect guns, you have to buy them in the state where you reside (fed law). I am also in the regretable position of making my living in ka so as much as I long to move, it is not in the cards.
I vote. I lobby my alleged "representatives" and I DO NOT SPEND MONEY IN ka on anything that can be purchased out of state. I don't buy pepsi products.
I spend all my discretionary income on guns and ammo and believe me, it is an effort to want to do business in kalifornia because, as I said, it has become like going to the DMV.
But... I have been a loyal, if not aggressive supporter of the industry and at some point I think the manufacturers and dealers owe me (us)- particularly if they are going to mouth all the usual "freedom / constitution / second amendment", cold dead hands blather.
Either the industry is for us or against us. The firearms industry (certainly in ka, ma, ny) is going to have to decide whether they want to have law enforcement business or citizen business.
Is the industry going to allow the gun business to go the way of the nra and just write off kalifornia? Or will they have principles and guts like Ronnie Barrett? I can wish but I am not holding my breath.
I see the end of the firearms business and gun stores in kalifornia in the next ten years if something does not change.
Firearms owners who actually buy firearms NATIONWIDE should rise up and demand that companies such as S & W, Ruger, Remington and Winchester not use restrictive legislation for competitive advantage as their tool to corner the market by being the only firearms and ammo available for sale. Not only should they refuse to comply, they should ban all state agancies and personell from their products and services.
Ronnie Barrett did the right thing when he banned ka agencies from buying guns or replacement parts or getting service on guns banned to civilians. EVERY MANUFACTURER currently selling in kalifornia should immediatly do the same. Remington and Winchester should put the state on notice IMMEDIATELY and refuse to sell ammo to ka agencies or personell if ANY ammo licensing or ban happens.
If micro stamping, ammo licensing and personal signature firearms become the law in ka or anywhere avgjoe will be forced to buy S & W or Ruger firearms (assuming you'd want them) because no other companies will be able to afford to use the technology (NOR SHOULD THEY USE THE TECHNOLOGY). Winchester and Remington will only sell their ammo to law enforcement.
I am not trying to denigrate S&W, Ruger, Remington or Winchester - I want to say that it is time that EVERY GUN MANUFACTURER needs to stand up and REFUSE TO DO ANY BUSINESS NOW with ka or states that want to be so draconian and restrictive. These companies say they want our business....well, it's fish or cut bait time. They are either going to sacrifice us civilians for state / law enforcement contracts....or not.
As I said in the original post, I buy in excess of a gun a month and I buy lots of ammo and some tangential products regularly. The minute there is ammo licensing and micro stamping that stops, I only buy used and the industry looses a customer.
At the same time, I am getting sick of gun dealers that work for the state not themselves and treat customers rigidly and poorly. At every level the gun industry can not afford to loose one customer.
The industry owes us.
.....and yes, I have had more than one alleged "guy" tell me that they wanted a gun but didn't have one because the wife wouldn't allow it. What can you expect of the state / country when it seems most men have let their wives and girl friends (and boyfriends) hold their testicles for them.
And in fairness, Avg Joe, you've told us in the past you're tired of kalifornians moving into Idaho, so what's the poor guy to do?
:)
I suspect Avg Joe's issue is that the ones that move to Idaho aren't like the author of the post. If the author moved there, it sounds like he'd fight to keep Idaho the way it is. Instead, places like Idaho and Arizona get people from California that can't grasp that the laws they vote for are why the state is such a financial mess.
I had to take a step back and think about this, because it pissed me off at first read. I own only a handful of guns and don't have the means to keep buying more, so if I'm in a gun store at all its for an accessory or just kicking tires. Supporting gun manufacturers and stores through ongoing purchases simply is not on the table, now or in the near future. I practice and encourage others to practice, and that's about all your getting out of me.
But I don't tie up the clerks or hang out at the counter, so I don't think I'm the main cause of complaint after all.
Saladman
The point is not that "you" are the problem because you are not and I apologize if I conveyed that impression.
The reality is that there is no gun business. If you see a crowd in a gun store, 90% of them or more aint buyin nuthin. In light of the narrow, limited business going on, gun stores and manufactures take customers and potential customers for granted (like democrats treat black or jewish or gay voters) and it is not just a bad business decision, it is bad for the futire of the second amendment and personal freedom.
The problem is that if you have a casual interest in guns, everything about the process from the "social stigma" to the laws making acquisition, possession and transportation difficult to being treated with disdain at the gun stores all add up to society and the industry chasing off new blood and ultimately the true believers.
I say again, Either gun store owners work for themselves or they work for the government. I do not believe that gun stores can afford to insult 1 potential customer. And the manufacturers owe it to gun owners to tell the government enough is way to much.
The second amendment and ultimately guns are truly on the line here. Guns are the last resort that the people have to protect themselves from a tyranical or unresponsive government. Gun stores and manufacturers at every level are making their living selling the tools of freedom and ultimately the tools to stand for your country and your family. They are either on the side of freedom or the increasingly restrictive government and they have a stake in the future of the industry and our god given inalienable rights or they don't.
Which is it?
I'm busted! You guys have me sighted in! LOL!
Fact of the matter is the folks moving into Idaho are not free thinking folks that have minds that demand complete answers to multi-leveled thought thinking. These folks are people who are sheep that are thinking of themselves.
Yes, we in Idaho want to join hands with real free thinking, freedom loving Americans. However, I've talked with many CA's that say they are on the right and conservative. But when I hear them talk they sound like liberals to me. They simply don't get it because their minds are messed up and have no real foundation of Constitutional rights and freedom.
Hell yes I want people to feel unwanted here in Idaho if they don't have a clue. Simple fact is the people who haven't a clue are the problem that put CA in the mess it's in. So they want to move her because the taxes are lower and less laws about everyday living. But they bring that "chip" of all about themselves on their shoulder here that made the place they came from a dump.
Idaho is about, you leaving me along and minding your own business. Which means, I don't need your feelings of any government helping me or correcting me so you can feel better.
Bottom line: for the most part people from CA Suck!
btw/ which is worth another post:
Yes Davit, you are a landmark to that state and too bad you have to live there.
What can you do? First off buy lottery tickets because we both know if you win, you're out of Dodge and buying guns.
Can you move? What would it take? Do you need a job to help you make it happen, even a part-time job?
If an Angle came to you and said, "David, the state is going to slide off in three day into the sea". Would you move or stay there (?) Of course I'm not asking your that because we both know you would be gone like a greased 204 from a matched grade barrel, LOL!
So can we move and stand together with more power or should we fight a fight that seems to be stacked up against us in states that seemingly are losers? Frankly, I'm asking all jokes aside.
I moved last year back to OH after almost 30 years in CA--look for posts in the June/July 2007 time frame.
And yes, Avg Joe--good-natured kidding aside, you are absolutely right--people foul their nests, move to a place that hasn't, and proceed to demand the same garbage that made where they moved from not worth living.
It's like the newbs who move into a development within earshot of a gun range and the try to close it down because of the noise and "danger." And they're indignant about it.
We all know the type.
It's tough to know what to do about leaving or staying--my decision was purely personal--I figured I could sell my house before the market implosion and reap the rewards, plus I have family here. That, and I was working insane hours.
One thing that used to get my goat when I was still there, though, was to see some forum bloviator type in something like "I wish it would fall into the ocean." Some of us there were on the front lines, fighting a battle that would sweep over us and come to them in time. People need to realize that if you take the urban areas out of the equation, which mirror what all cities have devolved into, most CA counties are pretty reflective of everywhere else.
As for lottery tickets, did you know that--down to something like the eight decimal point--your chances of winning are the same as if you don't buy one at all? Nonetheless, I never was any good at math, and continually remind my wife that all she has to do is get six lousy numbers and she can't even do that right.
Be careful about what you say about your wife, David. She may not be able to get six, but I bet she can find five digits to lay upside your face.
She laughed and says "Thank you, Straightarrow."
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