I don't have the resources or the time to give this the attention needed. I'll just spread myself too thin. Thing is, there are people devoting themselves to this, supporting and following the Berg lawsuit, reporting on it, trying mightily to get it on the public radar and resolved before inauguration.
I contacted some of these people and sent them the following:
Good for you on pursuing the Obama birth certificate matter through the courts.No one saw fit to reply and I find that curious. I guess they're vested in what they're doing. But unless I'm missing something, it does seem like an expedient way to get to the bottom of things.
I do have a suggestion, possibly a shortcut that could save you time, money and effort.
If the Hawaiian state government cannot, by law, release a copy of his birth certificate to anyone but Obama or a relative, why not retain a relative to request it? Having a common ancestor qualifies, right? Last I heard, he has an illegal alien aunt living on welfare, a brother living in a shack, and a whole bunch of relatives living in Kenya who could live like kings for a couple thousand bucks.
Any chair in a bar fight.
Anyway, barring some newsworthy development, I'm going to resume being a silent observer on this.
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If we prove Obama couldn't have been elected due to a technicality (and let's be honest, his point of birth is a technicality), wouldn't that just put Biden up as president, and allow the DNC to appoint their VP directly? It's not like proving Obama isn't a candidate will hand the election over to McCain at this point.
A misunderstanding in process: The Hawaiian government holds his birth certificate from another country which allows them to issue a live birth doc. The state of HI can not just give a birth certificate to anyone relative. I'm sure mom, dad or the child could but half brothers, sisters and so on wouldn't be giving such copies of such information. In fact there are county cops at both hospitals guarding the files where such information is held. Can't have anyone find out he wasn't born on that day at both of the only two hospitals.
Bottom line is: this is as huge as any Constitutional issue we face. If the international bankers whom Oboam is the closer for can crap on our Constitution and place a non-citizen in the oval office its all over. At that point the United States Constitution has no move value than ass wipe. In fact less being it wouldn't do the job as some good two ply could do.
If an attack this large can hit the Constitution than anything goes.
btw/ Biden couldn't serve because he wasn't elected at the top of the ticket. If Oboma can't take the oath of office than Biden never becomes the VP. And this is not a technicality, it a matter of very important Constitutional law. I didn't know we had liberal posting here.
How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? Follow me, if you will....
Perhaps Obama and his closest followers are being set up. No, not by Karl Rove, but by people whom he believes are his allies. They know that he is not a citizen and are letting the issue stew. They may even be covertly funding efforts to expose the fraud. Then, at the last minute, they yank the rug out from under Obama, and he is shown to be of foreign birth.
Why do this? If you want to provoke an orgy of violence, this would be a great way to do it. Right at the moment of maximum tension, when the first black man is about to ascend to the office of president, after facing trumped up fears of assassination by white racists, Obama is brought down by a technicality and cannot serve as president. With the proper handlers, this could produce a truly spectacular outpouring of rage and feelings of being shafted yet again by a racist, white system.
Of course, such violent outbursts can be quite useful. They can serve as a pretext for further infringements of our rights. They can cause severe damage to the psyche of the nation by exposing and playing on the old wounds of past racism, etc.
Now, I am not saying that this will happen, but the opportunity is certainly there.
Nezumi, I don't know--the constitutional succession process does not specify someone who has not yet taken the oath of office. I don't believe they can just mandate that interpretation out of thin air, but again, I've waded into this pool as deeply as I can at this point.
AJ- do you say it's limited to immediate family from knowledge or opinion? Please provide an authoritative source and I'll cede the point.
And yes, there would be riots. I would wager you'd see eruptions like we've never seen, possibly that full-blown civil war some on the left have been promising us.
The 20th Amendment provides some answers as to what would happen if Obama were disqualified. Note that Obama is currently "president elect" because the 20th Amendment uses the same language when referring to a president elect who fails to qualify before the beginning of his term.
Here's the relevant part of the amendment:
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified. (U.S. Const. amend. XX, § 3)
Although Obama declares often that his name is Swahili, in the second paragraph of an article written by the very well respected Daniel Pipes today he says: "Barack Hussein in Arabic means "the blessing of Hussein." In Persian, Obama translates as "He [is] with us." Thus does the name of the presumptive American president-elect, when combined with his physical attributes and geography, suggest that the End of Times is nigh – precisely what Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been predicting. Perhaps we might learn from his real birth certificate that his actual name is Swahili and that he took his current name for a purpose. Sounds outlandish, I know, but...just wondering out loud.
Anon @ 11:16--thanks, I had not recalled that. Guess I need to spend some time over at the later amendments.
BTW - RE: Anon @ 11:42. The Pipes quote ends after the word "predicting", alluding to Ahmadinejad's thoughts -- not mine.
If Obama is disqualified (which isn't going to happen) Biden becomes President. Now, who do you suppose would be his VP pick? Does the name Hilary ring a bell? Be careful what you wish for.
What's really ironic about this bit of nonsense is that the same whackadoos pushing it were previously pushing the notion that John McCain wasn't qualified to be President, because he was born in Panama--and he _really was_ born in Panama, a fact not in dispute anywhere.
I guess they all voted for Chuck Baldwin...
McCain was born in the Canal Zone hospital. I do not know without further study if that is considered a birth on American soil, but at the time the Canal Zone was a wholly owned property of the United States. Bought and paid for.
Obama may be ineligible to be President. Read on:
Nov 10, 2008 2 NEW CASES AGAINST OBAMA. This Donofrio v Wells in U.S. Supreme Court may be stronger than Berg v Obama.
1) Obama Presidency Challenged By New Jersey Voter re:"natural born citizen" - Donofrio v Wells Before US Supreme Court
Obama presidency challenged by New Jersey voter re: "natural born citizen" now before US Supreme Court. Standing not an issue-Birth Certificate not main point of suit. Action was originally filed against both Obama and McCain alleging ineligibility.
Nov 10, 2008 – On October 27, 2008, plaintiff-appellant, Leo Donofrio, a retired attorney acting Pro Se, sued Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey, in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Appellate Division, demanding the Secretary execute her statutory and Constitutional duties to police the security of ballots in New Jersey from fraudulent candidates ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States due to their not being "natural born citizens" as enumerated in Article 1, Section 2, of the US Constitution.
http://www.prlog.org/10139161-obama-presidency-challenged-by-new-jersey-voter-renatural-born-citizen-before-us-supreme-court.html
Nov 11,08 UPDATE: Later today, I will release my letter to Justice Thomas as a sworn certification detailing the various unorthodox judicial activity my case has suffered. The case is officially named, "Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey".
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
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2) Another case: this one against Obama's Mother by Forensic Psychologist who works for Criminal Justice System and the Courts Accuses Obama's Mother of Fraud on Obama Birth Docs in Hawaii. Dr. T.B. Bradley, Psy. D. Forensic Psychologist who works for the Criminal Justice System and the Courts, accuses Obama's Mother of Fraud on Obama Birth Docs in Hawaii. "Obama's Mother engaged in a pattern of illegal and fraudulent conduct as a result of both of her two children's birth outside of the United States: (1) Obama, Jr. born in Kenya Africa and (2) Maya Soetoro born in Jakarta Indonesia, but the mother, a US Citizen, raced to Hawaii after each of her children's birth where she engaged in fraudulent conduct upon the United States by declaring a late registration birth for both children claiming that they were born in Hawaii.
http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=767
This is for REAL. The election is NOT OVER. IF Obama is ineligible because he is not a natural born U.S. citizen then the Supreme Court could decide who will be President OR the Electoral College could reject Obama as a growing list of potential electors are joining a lawsuit demanding proof of birth. Instead of talking let's do something.
Take action here: http://peoplespassions.org/index.html
It's EASY. Just click and send emails to Reps. then send letters/emails to Electors asking them to defend the U.S. Constitution and demand Obama provide birth certificate or step down from Presidency. Every email and letter counts! Please help.
FOR PROOF look here: http://peoplespassions.org/documents/The_Problem_with_a_birth_place.htm
and here:
LISTEN TO AUDIO of Kenya Grandmother stating that Obama born in Mombassa Kenya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo
Watch This Interview With Attorney Phillip J. Berg who appealed to U.S. Supreme Court VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w
People in Kenya know something that Americans don't: Obama born in Kenya!
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1K94ALlTA
This is a Certificate of Live Birth. It has the raised seal from the State of Calif. Blocked some of the data for security reasons
http://devvy.net/pdf/nov08/certificate_of_live_birth.pdf
+ This site is important on the birth cert issue
http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx
+ Here is what they're doing
http://americamustknow.com/electoralcollegecase.aspx
+ Call to stop electoral college
http://peoplespassions.org/index.html
+ Berg v Obama - Updates
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
+ Strategy: Electors jam the electoral college vote on Dec. 15
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/martin-v-obama-court-hearing-tuesday-november-18th-in-the-circuit-court-for-honolulu-at-1030-am-to-force-release-of-obamas-original-birth-files/
The rule about the president-elect only becomes valid once he truly becomes president-elect. The electors have not voted yet and do not vote until December 15. Until that time Obama is not truly the president-elect and if he were disqualified the chosen electors are not tied to Joe Biden. Some states require the electors vote for the candidate whose name was on the ticket. Other electors would basically stage a coup and select, say, Hillary Clinton for president.
So if the Berg lawsuit is ruled upon before December 15th, then there's a potential electoral crisis. If it is ruled upon after December 15th, then Joe Biden would potentially become president. Regardless of the ruling or when it happens, our country is headed to a crisis.
To know all you need to know, just google:
berg 9/11
And you'll see what type of crowd is pushing this. Conspiracy nuts. Stay clear.
no matter where Obama was born, even if irrefutable proof is provided that he is not a natural born American on American soil, it will be ignored. To do anything else would call into question the omnipotence of the political movers and shakers in this country and that they will never allow.
Neither party will allow it.
Nice play, though....nice play.
Unavoidable scenario: If SCOTUS disqualifies Obama BEFORE 1/20/09 inauguration, McCain is POTUS per remaining electoral college electors; if SCOTUS disqualifies Obama after 1/20/09 inauguration, Hillary likely becomes POTUS per vote of Dem controlled House of Rep. Either way, is clear Obama will NOT be or remain POTUS.
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