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To get this thread back on topic - update from Tommy Millner at Remington:
Because its thanksgiving and everyone is off, we have not made contact with HS. We have taken any reference to HS from our web site..
When you first emailed me I honestly did not recall horiuchi's name so you caught me unawares. I also do not read the blogs so the fact there was an issue came as a surpise.
In any event, HS makes a great product and we are a large customer of theirs. Why they would pick a super controversial spokesperson is beyond me. Doing this violates pure business common sense. Early next week we will use whatever persuasive powers at our disposal to get HS to do the right thing..
Do me a favor and tell those on the bolgs that Remington and I are now fully aware of the issue, in full agreement with the outrage, and will do what we can t exert pressure on HS to reverse course.
Thanks
Tommy
[Via Rick R]
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*Laughs* I love the market place. Nothing makes more sense then the dollar.
Good news from Remington, and good on Mr. Millner. I may send them some love via a VTR purchase next year.
I honestly could not believe this story when I first heard it. You would think a company would look into a prospective spokesperson's background perhaps just a little bit before enlisting them in a PR campaign. What’s next, OJ Simpson endorsing high-end kitchen knives?
Dear marketing geniuses at HS Precicion: when a prospective endorser is best known for his involvement in not just the murder of an unarmed man holding a baby at Ruby Ridge, but the Waco Massacre as well, he’s probably NOT someone you want associated with your GUN company.
Uh... That's "unarmed WOMAN."
Oops! My bad! I certainly did mean to type woman! David, feel free to edit!
I'm pretty sure Vicki had a holstered pistol on her hip at the time.
Yeah, she was a threat with her holstered pistol from what, 300m? And while holding a baby, murderer.
A holstered pistol? So that makes it an excuse to execute her in cold blood?
I DON'T THINK SO!
Vicki Weaver was EXECUTED FOR SOMEONE'S SICK AND SADISTIC ENJOYMENT!
Holstered pistol? He shot her through a door from something like 1/4 mile away. She could have been carrying a machine gun, but in fact she was carrying a BABY when he shot her. If you can't tell the difference between a baby and a gun, you shouldn't be walking the streets let along wearing a badge.
ummm, it was a 93 yard shot. Choosing someone whose claim to fame is MISSING his intended target doesn't strike me as the smoothest marketing strategy.
Check out this excerpt from Gerry Spence's EXCELLENT book, "From Freedom to Slavery"
http://forums.gunboards.com/showpost.php?p=598611&postcount=46
The fact is the feds discussed what they knew about everyone on that hill long before the fatal shot, and Vicky Weaver was identified as the strongest willed of any under siege - yet innocent under the law. The reason the Iowa prosecuror wanted to indict the killer was to determine whether he took the shot under orders (and by whom) or acted on his own to break the will of the rest. Vicky was armed with her nursing baby.
When the courts finally authorized the prosecution, there was suddenly a "lack of evidence." Why? My guess would be the prosecutor may have been reminded of the growing "drive-by" sport in relation to his family.
No need to guess, Anon@12:37--it is a continual source of frustration throughout this that no one discussing this seems to be aware of the circumstances surrounding why the case was dropped once the prosecutor had the green light.
In a nutshell,here is what happened. Be sure and click on the embedded links.
Idaho, not Iowa. We are in the Rocky Mountains and border Canada. Iowa is just west of Chicago and is almost pancake flat.
Nevertheless, I feel good about owning my two Remingtons that both are out of the custom shop with all the extra work. One is an 06 and the other is a 22-250 both are 700 designs and both have become my trusted hunting firearms from rats to Elk. It was good to know that the folks at Remington wear the same shoes as we do and understand fully.
I don't want Remington or HS to be "aware" or to reverse course. I want to see HS dropped like a rock. My oldest Son's name is Remington. I'm a huge Remington fan, until now. I was going to be buying a Remington for my son for Christmas. Looks like I'll be wating on it for now.
So much for Remington's influence on H-S Precision. H-S's "sincere" statement doesn't even qualify as a mealy mouthed Jane Fonda "apology", and they even took that down. The arrogant H-S statement even refers to testimonials about HS product accuracy. You bet, whether it's a trophy caribou hunt in Alaska, or Lon Horiuchi blowing Vicki Weaver's jaw off from a few dozen yards while she was holding her baby in Ruby Ridge, Idaho... Whatever you're shooting, H-S helps you bag it!
The email from Remington, a major H-S customer, refers to making H-S "reverse course"? What's that mean? "We won't crow about Horiuchi's testimonial again" ? BFD. Anyone with a cow pattie IQ knew they wouldn't print it again anyway. That's hardly justice for the crime of honoring a murderer. Besides, it's not about punishing H-S. It's about whether gun owners are stupid enough to patronize gun industry companies that subvert constitutional rights.
Letting H-S off the hook tells the industry that we're suckers; that subversive whores can betray our Constitution and poop on the graves of victims of police state criminals but we'll still give them our money. HS should be boycotted as was done with Ruger, and driven under or into new ownership as was done to Smith & Wesson.
Don't forget who gave us California's assault weapon ban in 1989, which led to the NJ & national bans. Bill Ruger was the father of those bans, with help from the Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI). Ruger began pushing magazine size limits in the mid 1980s and lobbying legislators to ban "military style" guns. But he worked to exempt his own "legitimate" guns such as the Mini 14 .223 semi automatic "ranch rifle"; supposedly a "sporting rifle" because it had a wooden stock and "ranch" in the name. By exempting "legitimate sporting guns", Ruger and other corporate elitists like Bill Coors divided and reduced the opposition to the ban -- with help from Ed Feulner of The Heritage Foundation and RINO President GHW Bush. "Legitimate sportsmen" went along with it once their favorite guns were exempted; it passed by ONE vote and was signed by a liberal police state "Republican" governor. Ruger was traitor who more than anyone else was instrumental in reviving gun control in America, which had been dead after the gun community crushed California's Proposition 15 handgun ban initiative in 1982.
Enough people boycotted Ruger to motivate him to make a million dollar "donation" to the NRA. NRA sold him medals and awards and put him on the cover of its magazines as a "true second amendment hero". Partly because NRA sold him "honor", many people still buy Ruger guns. Others who see themselves as "legitimate sportsmen" still sneer at the "fringy" activists who sacrifice time, energy and money to defend the rights of all Americans.
Had the gun rights community stuck together and continued the Ruger boycott, it would've sent a stronger warning to other manufacturers tempted to betray the 2A. S&W might not have been tempted to push "smart guns", trigger locks, etc. Unlike Ruger, S&W was so heavily damaged by a boycott, its British owners sold them back to new American owners for a song. Gun owners have more power than they realize.
H-S thinks they can dismiss our Constitution and the ghosts of the innocent victims of their police state pals, without consequence. They assume that people who care about our Constitution have no market power or influence with other customers. Yet many times I have spent more than $1000 for hunting rifles, even more than $5000, not counting scopes, stocks and other accessories. And I know many gun rights activists whose spending makes mine look puny. I see Remington is a major client of H-S. I've purchased perhaps a dozen Remingtons over the years, and a ton of Remington ammo. But as long as they do business with H-S, I won't buy more Remington products.
Flaunting Horiuchi's endorsement as an honor, toadying up a guy who murdered innocents, is an outrage. The statement that H-S is reviewing endorsements doesn't change that. The gun rights community needs to adopt a simple goal of boycotting HS directly and through their business partners until HS is bankrupt or sold like S&W. Otherwise, we will end up getting nothing from HS and thanking them for it, like fools.
It took years to punish S&W's treason. So keep up the boycott and help it percolate. Every one should remind their list once in a while so folks don't forget, so it gets critical mass and longevity as the S&W boycott did.
Russ Howard
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