President Obama will announce in a visit here today that he will push the U.S. Senate to ratify an inter-American arms trafficking treaty designed to curb the flow of guns and ammunition to drug cartels and other armed groups in the hemisphere. [More]In yesterday's Gun Rights Examiner column, I talked about a "global gun control" column in The New York Times by Antonio Maria Costa, Executive Director of the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, and I linked to the UN Firearms Protocol.
This is a more regional approach, but as you see from the signatories, it's nonetheless extensive. What the WaPo did not bring us is the text of the treaty itself. That way, their readers can make up their minds based on what their "Authorized Journalist" tells them to believe.
Here it is--read it.
Candidly, legalese makes my eyes glaze over. So I may be totally off-base, but according to this, could "illicit manufacture" of ammunition include reloading? What about people who make their own black powder rifles? And what's the deal with extradition?
Hopefully some fine legal minds will weigh in. I do note one reference that concerns me:
U.S. gun-rights groups participated as observers in drafting the treaty, which experts say includes language stating that it does not impinge on the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment.I understand the motivation to do this--I really do. It's just that, to my mind, an American leader would tell foreign powers to mind their own damned business and keep their tyrannical mitts off our Bill of Rights if they know what's good for them.
I said as much in this old Guns and Ammo column:
Proposing that American gun-rights advocates confer with the United Nations is not only a waste of time and resources that are needed at home, but also lends such venues unearned legitimacy--as if the UN should have any stance on American liberty other than to shut up and learn.Which resulted in this from my good friends at the NRA Members Councils:
Yet despite this, those like David Codrea, in an article in the September 2003 issue of “Guns and Ammo”, would continue to council disengagement, retreat from the global battlefield, and a kind of pseudo-isolationism that fails to recognize that there are no protective oceans to hide behind in a world-wide battle of ideas. It is apparently more important for Codrea and his ilk to maintain an ideological purity of thought, rather than achieve any of the incremental positional successes that could best guarantee eventual victory. What is more, it is hard to imagine how an almost Islamist-like exclusionary world-view will enable the Codreas of the world to convert more than the occasional wandering “Aryan” to the paradise of a rapidly diminishing gunowner “reservation”.OK, pally. Looks like we're going to do things your way.
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Proud to be one of "your ilk," Mr. Codrea. The NRA left the door open for this globaloney by showing that our "biggest gun rights organization" would always back down. Always.
We ask neither their counsel nor their arms. May posterity forget that they were our countrymen, ever. Let them crouch down and lick the hand that STARVES them. May their chains rest HEAVY.
Essential liberty will be defended. Against ALL comers.
A quick skim of the document seems to say black-powder antique firearms and modern reproductions of them are exempt. For everything else -- barrels, frames, slides, parts, brass, powder, projectiles, primers, propellants -- it will be illegal to manufacture them without a license. No home loading of ammunition. A license and paper trail for each gun or part imported, exported, manufactured domestically. No sales except by government-licensed businesses. Tracking and CONFISCATION of any units manufactured or "trafficked" without said license.
Total infringement. All nice and neat like the European Union quality requirements for bananas.
The arrogance.
Signatories to the treaty are not COMMITTED to applying the rules to purely internal domestic production; They are allowed to live by their own laws until they're proven to be a source of crime guns. They retain sovereignty. Remember sovereignty?
Bloomberg was in Virginia this week to harass Virginia gun dealers about New York violence. It doesn't look good.
The NRA statement "..incremental positional successes.." Is that fancy speak for giving in?
How does this square with "enforcing the laws already on the books"? This looks like a naked power-and-loot grab by the treaty signatories. Since the United States is the only signatory with anything worthy of looting, this treaty opens us up to legalized theft of our sovereignty. To boot, it opens up our citizens to extradition to the ICC for trial before the world court of Socialist Public Opinion.
It doesn't look good. Do we have any Oath Keepers left in the Senate?
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Just the next probe in the game of whack a mole for gun control.
And it's getting kinda old.
On a brief and far from complete scan it appears that you could justify just about any incursions into what are left of our gun rights with this piece of carp. There's definitely language that would back a requirement to be licensed in order to reload ammo. And as they say, the power to license is the power to destroy.
"resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly on measures to eradicate the illicit transfer of conventional weapons and on the need for all states to guarantee their security..."
They appear to be intentionally perverting our "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,..."
The UN gave us, through arms embargoes, the Rwanda genocide, the Sudan genocide, I'm too mad to think of others right now. Keeping guns away from the good guys is their mission.
But we're paranoid for thinking Obama will screw us?
From the WPost article: "There is a great deal of fear behind this that the border violence will enter the United States."
That's why we want Congress and the President to outlaw weapons of military usefulness there...
We won't get fooled again.
I'm watching on CNN online, his speech w/ the Mexico President. Gun ban is coming guys. You need to find a transcript of this tripe.
Every question I've heard is about "stopping these deadly weapons." Presidente' spit out the 90% of the weapons come from the USA stat from the Brady's.
Obama wants to trace bullets. When speaking of the AWB, he initially said "gun ba...... assault weapon ban, we are not giving up on that..."
it's on right now. hopefully their will be a video on youtube shortly so you can see for yourself.
so much for
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6
David, David, David.
You pseudo-isolationist, Islamist-like Aryan (?!) rightwing extremist.
Ideological purity of thought is so late-18th century.
Get with the times, man!
I wouldn't worry about the NRA Member's Council. Aren't they mostly California Gun Lobbyists? That just means they take to compromise like Frenchmen take to surrendering.
As to the ammunition manufacturing part of the treaty, it says that we have to be licensed by a "competent governmental authority". No chance of running across any of that.
Defender nailed it:
Under Definitions:
1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:
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b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; More importantly, Article IV paragraph 1 requires the U.S. to make it illegal to manufacture ammunition without a license, where manufacture is defined as assembly - this would clearly include reloading.
Paragraph 2 goes on to require that it be a criminal offense to violate paragraph 1, assembly, or even create criminal offenses for supplying or possessing equipment to facilitate reloading without a license.
Article XIII, paragraph 2 requires that information be shared to track firearms and ammunition. This would not require registering individual bullets, but would definitely encourage such idiocy as putting serial numbers on bullets, shells, and boxes of assembled ammunition in order to allow that ammunition to be traced. Paragraph 3 requires that trace data to be supplied to other countries on demand, and with extradition required in Article XIX, it's possible you'd be on your way somewhere else in the world for prosecution if ammunition (or for you gun smiths a firearm) you manufactured ended up somewhere it was not supposed to be.
There is an exception in Article XIX (Extradition) that allows for you to be prosecuted in your home country for the crime, but that's only if the possessing nation decides they want to do so. If not, so much for your Constitutional protections - how does a kangaroo court trial and imprisonment in a foreign country sound to you?
On the whole, not good.
Yes, I can say confidently that more nonsense is about to come.
They are just setting up strawmen, in order to rile up the public and generate a nice, Orwellian "5 minutes of hate" against these strawmen.
In "Fahrenheit 451", the different opinions and philosophies offered in books became the basis of the Government wanting books burned, and the houses in which the books are hidden burnt along with them. "Keep the people happy from thought", the Fire Chief says in the novel.
The flamethrowers, kerosene sprayers, and censors with matches in their hands are advancing even closer to the Constitution now, their motives based on blatant lies manufactured by the Brady Bunch and SPLC.
Oh, and I am proud to be part of "your ilk" too, Mr. Codrea.
Look at how these pragmatists say that you are the one shunning the fight and retreating to a calm place. I think none of them have ever read your blog or your Examiner columns.
Who are the ones really "compromising"?
Who are the ones, when confronted by heat from the anti-gun side, surrender faster than the French? LOL, they refuse to admit it.
We veterans are dangerous, to those who would violate their oath to protect the Constitution. We will defend ourselves and it from treason, and treasonous precursors leading to starvation, slavery, and genocide. The problem the socialists have with us is that we are "effectives" who will identify and act quicker than they can form a committee to consider the investigation of an allegation.
Loyal Americans are in place inside the Agencies to add friction and delay to any process that is in violation of their oaths. But, friction and delay is not enough.
The OODA loop of the current command-part of the administration has no reality-based feedback. They are talking as if their mis-directed actions and talk will steer toward idealistic/mythical results of "better people living in a New World". Listen for the tone of Stalins' Organ in the distance.
Cheers.
Must... construct... police state.... before dollar implodes......
When I can least afford it, I need to ramp up the ammo acquisition and reloading project.
The Messiah has done more to alienate and antagonize in less than 100 days than most people can in a career.
The DHS and the administration have created a self fulfilling prophecy by CREATING extremists from average law abiding people. And the scope and speed at which these bastards have moved is incredible and amazing. Which I suppose is all part of the plan. This can't be good.
"It is apparently more important for Codrea and his ilk to maintain an ideological purity of thought, rather than achieve any of the incremental positional successes that could best guarantee eventual victory."
No MORE F$%king compromises!! No more appeasement! NRA, Kilo Mike Alpha!!
the filth has today called for a ban on assault weapons, along with mexico's president. i'm ready man. it's sad that we're not organized into, lawful, local militias, so i'll die alone, but i swear i'm not going to let the filth stop me from having my "assault weapons"
Obama quoted the NRA mantra "enforce existing laws."
We have always maintained that vigorous enforcement of laws we already have would be enough to slam liberty to a dead stop. But after talk of an absolute ban and confiscation, it sounds not-so-bad, huh? If you've been in a coma for the last 20 years.
Welcome the DHS reading your blog. The curb sucking maggots are entitled to see what their seeds have provided.
Not going to cooperate. III.
"...incremental positional successes"; just newspeak for abject surrender as the only successes accrue to our opponents as they slice us one piece at a time.
None in 'power' would dare tell the international collectivists to just 'go screw themselves'.
The news of this treaty is only going to make loading components (and perhaps tools) even more scarce.
DCI ilk and III.
I have always said violence cannot be avoided because it isn't up to us. That decision has already been made by those who want us chained or dead. Right now, they are just preparing the ground, they hope, to make it easier.
I am not backing up another step. They should hope they don't give me reason to move,because it won't be backward.
The Republican victory in the fall is now assured.
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