Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice He is held on $500,000 bail [More]"Where is the crime?"
Good question.
Aside from the one committed by "the authorities"?
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Monday, May 18, 2009
Stockpile Ammo, Go Directly to Jail
Good question.
Aside from the one committed by "the authorities"?
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That link is broken, but here's another one I found:
http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/local_story_135010249.html
Fixed it-- the original link had been filed in their "top story" slot, and when a new one replaced it, it no longer worked.
Thanks.
Interesting article.
This was a probe....testing the waters to see what the 'rank and file' are going to do (if anything) about it. These raids are going to become more common place.
NO LAW BROKEN and still arrested, charged, arraigned, and given a bond relationally equivalent to OJ Simpson's murder bond!
Apparently, being modestly prosperous, having a steady job, and 30,000 round of ammo is now a felony in the Peoples Republic of Masshole. Here in Texas, it's called being a slacker. I really think the cops and such there need more fiber in their diet, and to stop eating lunch with Mom all the time.
Incredible.
Note that "two young daughters also were in the car" with his 10,000 rounds of ammo.
So what seed is this PoS journalist trying to tell us? That the girls were in danger? They might as well arrest me coming out of one of the large sporting good chains as my kids help me haul out 5k worth of Remington Gold .22lr.
Note to self: talk to wife again and make sure that she tells any LEO to go pound sand if they want to come in and "look around" unless they have a warrant.
I'm not up on current events in the Dominican Republic, but I seem to remember that a Marxist "strongman" staged a "coup" and now rules with a "military junta" and oppresses the people. The Dominican Republic is just off the cruise ship lanes -- just like Cuba -- in the Caribbean, just like a dozen other little dictatorships that have no oil or natural gas reserves, so our government allows it. nd God help any modern Marquis de Lafayette who wants to help the oppressed.
This is a game to see if a conviction can be had to make some kind of case law. Seeming this man is a pawn and his life means nothing to these people. We are the servants to our master government. If one of us needs to give our life for our master government so government can grow itself larger to protect us from ourselves. By George whats one stinking citizens life and who cares about his children they are just fall out to take care of all of us. You can't scramble some eggs if you don't spill a little yoke.
NO WONDER I CAN'T GET ANY 9MM HERE IN NC!! He has it all:) Seriously though what exactly are the charges? I think MA does have fairly repressive laws concerning regular capacity magazines. Jeeze though $500,000 bond?
A commentor there talks about Keni Garcia lacking his "arsenal license".
Several folks correct him, saying there is no such thing, but in fact it has been proposed, as part of "Brady Act II".
Kurt Hoffman did a write up here.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the cops involved thought you really did need an "arsenal license".
Backfilling in progress, once they figured out Brady II didn't pass.
"This was a probe....testing the waters to see what the 'rank and file' are going to do (if anything) about it. These raids are going to become more common place."
So, what CAN we do if we're to avoid Ft. Sumpters?
We can make lots of noise to those in power but it seems to gain us nothing.
I don't think surrounding the jail would be the answer either. I'm not sure what is.
Sumters. Interesting slip there.
30,000 rounds of 9mm ammo sounds like a good investment to me.
He could have easily gotten a 500% return just by selling out in a year.
No charges filed. Hmmmm! It is hinted at that he was exporting guns and ammunition to Puerto Rico. If that were so, why no mention of guns and ammo missing? They confiscated them, surely they would have noticed the absence of the "exported" guns and ammo, no?
So far, we have not been made privy to any law which would have been broken by this man. Yet, he has a $500,000 bond for not committing a crime the authorities can even name? Something really stinks here.
Despite Mike Vanderboegh's cautionaries it seems a "Ft. Sumter" is inevitable. Of course, that could be avoided by the arrest and conviction of the State Police officers, the ATF agents, the prosectors and the judge involved under the statutes criminalizing the denial of civil rights.
Let's hope they do the smart thing and arrest the real criminals here. I don't count on it. I do think blood will run in the streets. Maybe not today, but soon.
The tyrant's will not accept it as a possibility because for more than 70 years they have been trained by us to believe we will always back down and bow to them.
Once that has happened violence cannot be avoided except by total surrender of all human rights by the oppressed. I will not surrender. I do not think I am alone in that sentiment.
The real question here is how did the po-pos and the batfags discover that he had recently bought 20,000 rounds in New Hampshire? Unless Wally-World is forwarding their video tapes to DC.
I would sure be interested in getting an answer to that question. As well as where he actually bought the stuff. I want to call and see if they have another 20K of 9mm, .38, and .45 left, heh.
A problem that Massachusetts worries about is losing sales tax revenue because many Massachusetts residents drive across the border to sales tax free New Hampshire. Items typically leading to arrest are usually alcohol and tobacco products along with big ticket hard goods such as refirgerators, washers and driers. Surveillance is conducted by Massachusetts State Police officer at state of New Hampshire owned liquor stores, with tag numbers noted for vehicles with Massachusetts tags, who are then pulled over when the cross the state line back into Massachusetts. Unlike many other states, you can not mail order ammunition for shipment to a Massachusetts address.
For giggles try reading Chapter 140 of Massachusetts State Law. You will never move there afterwards.
I am waiting for Massachusetts to set up checkpoints at their borders. It is odd how the State Police cars are always on standby inbound at the state lines on the interstate highways.
10K of 22LR hmm thats 10 boxes of 550 federal value packs, that would fit in my lunch box.
Actualy, Wally World forwards its purchasing databases to NY, not DC.
This isnt paranoid conjecture, but somewhat documented fact, as Walmart is the largest corporation to join in an alliance created by Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns sometime after 2006.
The store has always recorded purchasing data to use in allocating goods to its individual stores, but under the 10 point agreement entered with the Mayor of NYC's group, in addition to keeping all 4473 for firearm purchases (which are available to legitimate law enforcement requests, and are not considered registration as they cant be used for fishing expeditions or simple comparisons of Names and what firearms they purchased) they also record and database all ammunition and firearm sales, along with proof of identity and video survailance and make that data available to the NY based gun control group, for comparison to records of firearms that later turn up in other states, like NY, or in crimes, so as to build future criminal and civil cases against people who lawfully purchase these items in walmart stores.
Implementation of this program has been slow, some stores are more in compliance that other, but progress has been constant, and has even involved the production of new database and surveilance technology by wal-mart to better track these purchases.
Personaly, I think buying these items at wal-mart is as unadvisable (if not more so) than submitting to a government registration scheme, and have stopped purchasing pretty much anything from Marx-mart, knowing that these purchases will only be used by bloomberg et al to build a stronger case for national gun control legislation.
NY times has a story on the initial anouncement here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE5DF103AF936A25757C0A96E9C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
"Holland said at Garcia's arraignment that a "joint effort" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and state police found that Garcia had previously bought 20,000 rounds of ammunition in New Hampshire"
Well someone is keeping track.
Todd Jarrett was asked how much ammo he had on hand. He has millions (yes plural) of rounds of ammo and components to make more than half a million more. Wonder what his bail would be?
"So what seed is this PoS journalist trying to tell us? That the girls were in danger? "
Holy crap! If that is the case the journalist would go into PSH at the thought of the AR-15 in the rifle rack above my kids heads all day. God bless Oklahoma.
Not surprising, actually. If the cops catch you with "too much cash", they assume you're a drug dealer and confiscate it. If you have "too many bullets", you're obviously up to no good as well.
Despite the fact that there's no evidence to support that particular supposition.
All that remains now is to see which reeducation camp he's sent off to...
Mitt "No semiautos in Massachusetts" Romney blazed trail for the current crop of tyrants, and the NRA practically anointed him Lord High Republican Presidential Candidate 2012 at the Phoenix convention over the weekend. Just down the road from the internal checkpoint where the minister was mobbed by the Border Patrol for knowing the Bill of Rights.
A case of pistol ammunition -- 1,000 rounds -- is a conservative supply for a three-day weekend at a self-defense school or a two-day regional competition. Maybe a couple of boxes of 50 are used for practice beforehand, but you want to have a consistent lot or batch for the best accuracy, just as photographers used to buy film and photographic paper by the case.
The highway department has mega-tons of rock salt. I suspect a conspiracy to give everyone high blood pressure. :)
Thanks for the tax information, anonymous. Gee, gas stations on opposite corners will keep their prices within a few cents of each other to avoid driving business to the next zip code. So much more satisfying to search, intimidate, confiscate, however, if you have the bullyboys already paid and not fighting crime or anything.
And thank YOU, Rev.Franz, for the info about Mall-Wart. They won't see me again, not even for the 99-cent shoelace that would magically make my semi-auto AR-15 a phaser rifle.
The Dominican Republic is still a republic per se, and elections are held regularily. The trouble is that those of Spanish descent make up a bit of an oligarchy, and the descendents of slaves support it willingly (they identify with the Europeans, not the Africans - DO NOT call a Dominican "negro," they generally reserve that term for the Haitians).
A Glock costs several thousand U.S. dollars there, as importation of new weapons to register is illegal, however, like all third world countries, the laws are only there for those who cannot pay to break them. If you have money, you can get and carry a pistol. If you do not have money, you cannot even own a weapon.
I'm not sure how controlled ammunition is, but I'm sure there's a black market for it, as those without licenses to own a gun would certainly not go to a store to buy ammunition, lest they raise eyebrows.
I've spent time doing missionary work in the D.R., and my parents are heading down there tomorrow for the same reason (they go at least once a year). Down there, sometimes the cross around your neck gets you through checkpoints without having to pay, though the airport workers are generally allowed to take whatever they want from your luggage in front of you. I'm sure this gentleman is used to the treatment he's getting out in MA.
Two things:
1. Why did the wife consent to a search of their vehicle????????? "No officer I do not consent to any search of my vehicle or person."
2. This took place in MA... Why does this not surprise me.
-Jon
www.cmdrfenix.org
What did the police use for probable cause to stop this man in the first place? (I originally typed "LEOs", but since there were no laws to enforce I went back and changed that to "police".) What was the excuse for the original traffic stop?
Did they have a warrant for his arrest on other charges? Were they profiling? Is it permissible for the police in MA to stop citizens for no discernible reason?
All my questions as to the reasons for the stop may be moot as apparently MA police, the prosecutor, and the feds don't need law. It sounds as if they subscribe to the notion that, "The law is what we say it is, and our subject citizens are too dumb to know better."
This case will bear watching. More than likely, the charges will probably be dropped or reduced, and Garcia will be allowed to keep his daughters in exchange for his agreement to let the police keep his guns, ammo, and cash.
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