Wednesday, February 12, 2014

One Answer...

...to the obnoxious question "What has GOA accomplished?" typically posed by those promoting "leaders" who have hidden under their desks from this using the "single issue" excuse... [More]

And I'm glad to see "one pro-gun author" has reconsidered his opinion on this. He's a very smart guy and I'd hoped he'd come around.

5 comments:

black rifle said...

i've wondered since reading this originally--WHO is the author that changed his mind?

Anonymous said...

If we can agree on two simple facts, the case could be made for amnesty and easy legal immigration (or at least lots of work visas). 1. The baby boom generation has passed its peak purchasing period and the economy is heading into a deflationary period because of reduced consumption in the U.S. 2. New, legal immigrants are statistically twenty-somethings heading into their productive years. I'm a staunch advocate for guns and liberty, but it all won't make a hill-of-beans difference if we're all plunged into third-world status because the economy collapses. We need more productive workers contributing to social security or it will become insolvent. It may anyway, but it surely will, if more young people don't contribute.

Anonymous said...

"If we can agree on two simple facts, the case could be made for amnesty and easy legal immigration (or at least lots of work visas). 1. The baby boom generation has passed its peak purchasing period"

So what?

"...and the economy is heading into a deflationary period because of reduced consumption in the U.S."

Wrong, but so what if it were true? It's a non sequitur, mumbo jumbo argument. What matters is per capita real income, per capita wealth, per capita well being, not the total economy, GNP etc. Take the following two scenarios:

a. GNP = $17 trillion, population = 300 million, 5 bdr house & 1 acre lot in attractive coastal community costs $1 million.
b. GNP = $25 trillion, population = 2 billion, 5 bdr house & 1 acre lost in a coastal community costs $100 million.

Most rational Americans, given the chance, would choose scenario (a) any day over "cheap labor", pyramid scam, wealth transfer scenario (b).

"2. New, legal immigrants are statistically twenty-somethings heading into their productive years."

So what? Why should the native born citizenry turn OUR country over to them?

"I'm a staunch advocate for guns and liberty, but it all won't make a hill-of-beans difference if we're all plunged into third-world status because the economy collapses. We need more productive workers contributing to social security or it will become insolvent."

This is another delusional joke that is popular with the "U.S." Chamber of Commerce crowd. The idea that low-educated, low-skilled, illiterate or barely literate third world immigrants doing "cheap" labor "jobs that Americans won't do" will be able to pay for the retirement of 100 million first world Americans. The math doesn't work even for the initial stages of a pyramid scheme, let alone the later stages.

Over-immigration is bankrupting the USA in countless ways. Let's do some real math. Education for example. K-12 in the USA costs about $15,000 per student per year. Consider a 3rd-world family with 6 kids in K-12. The k-12 cost alone of that family on society is nearly $100,000 per year. The typical 3rd world immigrant family doesn't even make $100k/year, let alone pay that much in tax towards k-12.

"It may anyway, but it surely will, if more young people don't contribute."

The rapid population growth benefit claims propounded by the the "U.S." chamber of commerce, Julian Simon, "libertarian" crowd, are like a religious cult that excludes contrary evidence and critical theoretical factors. Which is why it doesn't work in the real world.

The contrary empirical evidence is overwhelming. If rapid population growth was a net contributor to a healthy per capita economy, liberty, and quality of life, then Africa would be the world's premiere garden spot for liberty, real income, and quality of life. And the USA would be solvent TODAY, considering how much "cheap" labor we've imported since our federales began increasingly subverting immigration controls and expanding the flows after 1960.

Most folks who push these theories hire "cheap" labor and are rationalizing dumping the costs onto society, costs which are thousands of times higher than their transitory, illusory benefit.

Anonymous said...

Corollary to the analysis above, both the real per capita AND the total US economy could be booming if government were significantly reduced, if asinine obstructionist bureaucracy, the parasitic pirate legal priesthood, and idiotic regulations were slashed, if income, capital gains, corporate, and property taxes were abolished in favor of Constitutional pay as you go taxes or a national sales tax or even a "FAIR" tax, etc.

But instead of unleashing liberty and the economy for AMERICANS, the "U.S." Chamber of Commerce "solution" is to deluge the USA with a pyramid scam, jammed into a darwinian third world rat race sardine can.

Note the false promise of easy money that goes along with the immigration approach to "solving" the retirement problem: If each American imports 10 third worlders, we won't have to work again. They'll be there to gratefully change your adult diapers.

Anonymous said...

RH