...it might help to ask some questions.
For starters, if they're the source, why is there no related post on the Pacific Patriot Networks website?
Why just a screenshot, instead of a link to the post, so Barbara Davis can be asked for more details?
If she is a PPN insider, privy to exclusive revelations, there's not much of a relationship trail.
With all the legal defenses the feds have, and with the release of all information vetted to make sure no liabilities are presented, where did PPN get hold of such dynamite? Assuming they did. I've asked and will update this post if they answer:
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Here's one thing we can verify -- the FBI does claim LaVoy Finicum "did have a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket."
So now we ask ourselves:
Was it a plant? They might not be that stupid, but what about OSP? There will be reports. There will be other recordings.
What if the recovered gun was stolen? Have we ruled out the possibility it was bought through a private sale, and LaVoy did not know? (And that alone would arouse other suspicions that would be pretty convenient at a time the feds are trying to suppress those.)
Who "on the inside" would have violated all protocol to release the serial number? The chain of custody for getting close enough to read them would be pretty limited, and at that point, with all the legal scrutiny, reports would be circulated on a "need to know" basis. That would mean there'd be a short list of leak suspects. The "whistleblower's" motivations for risking not only a career but also possible prosecution in order to make sure unverifiable information gets released on the Internet in conspiracy circles hardly seems like an act of enlightened self-interest.
Sure, there's a possibility this is planned disinformation by the government to further muddy waters and maybe get someone to overreact and take the focus off of them. There's also the possibility that it's all a hoax initiated by persons unknown for reasons that have not been stated.
The point being we do not know. We'll see if I get an answer.
This is a powder keg situation. The last thing needed is an unknown person with unknown motives lighting a match, and just buying into things and reacting in anger without knowing what's going on is, to say the least, destructive and irresponsible.
There are plenty of justice goals everyone wants to see come out of this situation. Some have a more immediate goal: Help save lives.
If you share that goal, please do what you can to make sure you're not a conduit for suspect information.
UPDATE:
UPDATE:
I am going to call this fake...I just talked with my contact in touch with the family and I can confirm that LaVoy was not shot in the head (there will be an open casket funeral) and so far my LEO contact has stated that they have never run a serial number without letters. I will update when the number check gets back.
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I'd also like to know if one of the shots impacted near the spot where Finicum was apparently reaching for his pistol. It might be (and without sound, we can't know) that he was shot in the hip, reached instinctively for that spot, and was subsequently shot dead for "reaching for his waistband".
Yeah, we need better information.
There are far too many people willing to believe and spread any rumor that would confirm their positions. This is the sort of "intelligence analysis" that would get them killed by an enemy during wartime.
Evidence, thinking, patience, and hard work are the tools you and Mike used to uncover Gunwalker, not the gullibility and haphazard accusations that are far too common in our movement.
The truth about the government is bad enough without having to make up lies. Thanks for always being a voice of reason, David.
David - Thank you (Yet again.) for the sanity check. This smelled to high heaven upon first reading but THANK YOU for bird-dogging it.
I am sure you will not appreciate this.....but , right now I don't care if LaVoy stole the gun himself !! I DO NOT CARE...I am more tired of listening to blow hards like Mark Kornke talk about how he is going to "SLAUGHTER' them ! How the next time !! always the NEXT time, all the professional writers and analysts that tell us to keep a cool head, are the same that keep giving the pigs the "benefit of the doubt" and they have such a tough job and another "they are as saddened by this as we are " bullshit !! always another line in the sand...further back , further back ! this was pure unadulterated MURDER, the plan was to make LaVoy DEAD !! then chuckle about it, backslap and highfive, "the truth about the government is bad enogh without making up lies" well, yes it has been this way for 50 years and nothing has changed...and realizing it doesn't change it , no legal peaceful process changes it, lets write a letter ! lets march ! lets call our congressman ! Nothing works anymore...NOTHING we have let it slide to far ....until his wife looks me in the eye and tells me that pistol was his....it is a plant end of story for me....pigs have no credibility with me, just hired guns
Robert LaVoy Finicum was a kind, loving, hardworking, dedicated patriot like few if any others we have had and he has been taken...there is no excuse.
I agree with Davod that there is plenty of government responsibility to criticize without making stuff up. This man CLEARLY reached at least twice for his waistband while officers were pointing their weapons at him. I am going to assume the deceased was not a stupid man, and that he knew very well what the LE response would be to his furtive moves to his waistband. My call on this: suicide by cop.
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Anonymous said...
Your LEO contact never ran a Ruger? 8 digits, straight up.
I agree that txt is b.s..But you need better LEO contacts. just say'in. Thanks for all the hard work.....MTHead
2/03/2016 1:13 PM
It's not MY LEO contact-- I was merely quoting from the link I added.
........a response to Anonymous ...you say he reached for his waistband, OK lets say you are correct in that he lived a miserable life of shame and failure so of course he was out looking for an opportunity to commit suicide by cop...now I am just not experienced and educated like the pundits so could you explain why he didn't have the pistol in his hand on exit of the vehicle ? why reach for the waist when the pistol is inside the coat pocket ?? and on and on....did you not think for just one moment that he was actually reaching for a wound to his side, cops are trained to wound that area in which a suspect may carry ! was he hit with a plastic projectile ? hard enough to make one flinch and reach but leave no residual evidence? no his hands were up he was under attack from 360* shot from the front, shot from the back and shot from a distant rifleman. quit giving the pigs the benefit of the doubt.....unless of course you are one of them.
I am an FFL.
I have had "traces" by ATF on firearms over the years.
Without a manufacturer and model, the serial number is meaningless....
Think about it, a serial number must be unique for each firearm for a given manufacturer, not unique from every other manufacturers serial number ever used....
I smell Bravo Sierra.
"The "whistleblower's" motivations for risking not only a career but also possible prosecution in order to make sure unverifiable information gets released on the Internet in conspiracy circles hardly seems like an act of enlightened self-interest."
The likelihood of finding someone in LE who would be willing to give out any information or help in any way is a stretch, as you have pointed out. Also it is very likely is that each and every militia group has at least one and probably more snitches among their ranks. This is why anyone with any sort of arrest record should not be permitted membership. Yes, I know that leaves a much reduced pool of potential recruits, but it is just a fact of life that those people are recruited by both threat and enticement of a lower sentence for whatever criminal infractions they may have committed (and there are also paid informants). This of course does not take into consideration the added likelihood of FBI agent infiltration as well. The whole Malheur thing was probably set up by an agent provacateur.
As to Lavoy Hammond himself, though his death at the hands of these killers is despicable and a great loss, his actions (and his faith in the system as evidenced in his videos) speak to his great naivety.
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