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Wednesday, January 24, 2018

What Good is ‘Preaching to the Choir’?


First of all, not everyone is in the choir.  The people in the pews — some not even paying attention — aren’t.  The choir is comprised of activists, people who make and keep a regular commitment to practice, to improve, to work together and to perform. Appreciating (or not) the results of their efforts does not make one a member of the choir. [More]
Information is put out there to be used, not just consumed.

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

Preaching to the Choir

I just read a comment over at Blogonomicon that I see time and again on forums, in comments, and in emails I receive:
You're preaching to the choir.
The following is from "You Say You Want a Revolution?," published several years back in GUNS AND AMMO:
If only this assumption was true. We would be invincible!

The choir is comprised of the volunteers up there doing the work, singing. These are the people who learn the music and the words and the programs. They take significant time out from their demanding professional and personal lives to practice, to learn and to perform. And they’ll do it again next week, and the next.

The overwhelming majority of gun owners are, at best, spectators. They may occasionally attend a service, they may even put a couple dollars in the plate when it’s passed, but to actually put forth time, effort and financial support on a continued basis, to do real work and make real sacrifices, is something they typically find reasons for not doing.
I have no way of knowing if the comment poster who was the catalyst for this rant is in "the choir" or not, and don't mean to imply otherwise. It's just that I see this comment tossed around cavalierly by others, and think it important to point out the reality, that most who claim membership are giving themselves more credit than they're due.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

More on the Con-Con and a Rant

We talked about it here.

Chuck Baldwin explains why they're so dangerous.

I understand the Ohio vote has been delayed. None of the legislators saw fit to get back with me--I guess they thought I might be a bit peeved.

But here's a question for you, who come here regularly every day, because I presume you get some value out of it.

I asked readers to join me (I never ask for anything I don't give myself), to send an email. I even provided all the addresses.

How many did?

Apathy is the most frustrating thing I confront. It's a bigger threat than anything out there. And I have to wonder what someone will do if they won't even take a minute, literally, to send a simple email.

I've answered dismissals about "preaching to the choir" before, the first time, I believe, in my article "You Say You Want a Revolution?" published by GUNS AND AMMO back in 2001:
If only this assumption was true. We would be invincible!

The choir is comprised of the volunteers up there doing the work, singing. These are the people who learn the music and the words and the programs. They take significant time out from their demanding professional and personal lives to practice, to learn and to perform. And they’ll do it again next week, and the next.

The overwhelming majority of gun owners are, at best, spectators. They may occasionally attend a service, they may even put a couple dollars in the plate when it’s passed, but to actually put forth time, effort and financial support on a continued basis, to do real work and make real sacrifices, is something they typically find reasons for not doing.
So it takes a special person for me to acknowledge as being a choir member.

I'm also reminded of a quote from Mr. Churchill.

I bring this up because I see the vast majority of gun owners, maybe, say, 97%, dismissing "threepers," sometimes with great contempt. Just the other day I saw myself characterized with the words "spittle-flying screaming about all the 'cowards' that won't start killing jack-booted thugs at the issuance of a traffic ticket."

I approached my accuser privately (and politely, I might add) and asked to see where I've done that, or even anything close to it to make it a fair caricature. For some reason he won't reply.

For the record, I'm doing what I can, and have been for years, to work toward restoration of the Republic through petitions for redress, political involvement, the legal system, the media...

The ironic thing is, if we do reach the much-mischaracterized "Vanderboegh scenario," it will be because many who decried it the loudest didn't hold up their end of the deal and actually do concrete work toward those political and legal results they tell us will be our salvation.

The rant is almost over. At the risk of alienating and driving anyone away, I'll say this flat out: If you're not doing something proactive on a regular basis to try and promote Liberty/discourage tyranny, you're part of the problem. It's not my place to tell you what to do, it's your place to find something that enthuses you and do it.

This week and the next and the next....

[Via W-3]

Wednesday, May 03, 2017

Preaching to the Choir?



Sorry, I differentiate between the audience and the choir, the latter being the people actually making a commitment, spending time and doing something.  Beyond posting comments. [More]

As for spreading the message beyond gun owners, even if Google doesn't remove one of my pieces from its news feed, I can only do so much, and use what platforms I have, including social media. Beyond that, it's up to people who get value from the work to share it with a wider readership.

It's not like I've made a secret of what I ask for from them.

I can think of a lot of ways to get the word out beyond the niche. I'm sure plenty of WarOnGuns regulars can, too.

The question is, will they? Be part of the choir...?

Friday, February 13, 2015

Preaching to the Choir

The choir is comprised of people up there performing. They put themselves on the line. To get ready for that, they practice. And study. And work. And get to the venue. And put other things on hold to fulfill their commitments to people depending on them. And they’ll do it again next week. And the week after that. [More]
My latest JPFO Alert notes just because someone hears the music doesn't mean they help carry the tune.

Saturday, March 14, 2009

Preaching to Gun Owners is Not the Same as Preaching to the Choir

Are you in the choir?

Apathy is every bit the enemy active hostility is. [More]
I talk about my newest Guns Magazine article in today's Gun Rights Examiner column.

I also tell you about two new Examiners, and give the latest links to my fellow GREs.

Sunday, October 19, 2008

Gun Rights Examiner

Now it’s time for a little shameless exploitation of my new hosts. I'd like to extend an invitation to Cleveland area gun rights activists: we have a unique and unprecedented opportunity here, courtesy of Examiner.com, to employ their resources and reach to get our message heard outside "the choir." Let's use it. If you know of a story that can help promote the cause, send me the link as a tip. If you're part of a gun rights group that is fighting a particular battle, supporting or opposing a particular candidate or measure this area is affected by, or if you have an event coming up, let me know about it. If you're an area gun blogger, by all means keep me apprised of work you're doing that Northeast Ohioans would be interested in. Just email me, dcodrea@hotmail.com and put EXAMINER in the subject.

Let's not make this MY Examiner page--let's make this OUR Examiner page. That also means if we post something here that will be of interest to your gun-owning friends and club members that you help spread the word through your email contacts, on gun boards, etc. And by all means leave comments. If the folks running this show see this topic generates interest, they'll be more likely to encourage more of it throughout their considerable media network. And before I forget, I also need to extend an invitation to a very important segment of Examiner readers--those horrified and angered by all of this, and who think the problem is not enough gun control.
Examiner.com has invited me to be their Cleveland "Gun Rights Examiner"--a category they didn't have until I pitched it.

This represents not just a local opportunity, but if it's successful, they'll surely be receptive to expanding the topic to other markets.

Back when I participated in The New York Times' Virginia Tech panel, I wrote that if the "mainstream media" sees the topic generates a lot of interest, friendly or hostile, they'll give us more opportunities to use their megaphone.

This is such an opportunity. Just look at the top dog of the whole shebang--and he's a "conservative," which beats the alternative. This is part of an evolving business model for "traditional media"--an adaptation intended to expand its market reach. And it looks like they know what they're doing. Now that they've made a bit of room for RKBA "diversity" in the experiment, it would be foolish squandering not to seize the brass ring.

I don't ask much from WarOnGuns regulars--basically I limit myself to asking you to join me in an occasional letter or email, or to support something I myself am supporting. I'm asking you now to help me spread the word on this--not just now at the launch of this new venture, but as you can on an occasional basis going forward. I won't presume to suggest how, just anything...

Please help me to maximize this opportunity. As I said in my first post, "Let's not make this MY Examiner page--let's make this OUR Examiner page."

Friday, February 23, 2007

I'm Saving My Sympathy

This comment was posted at the title link:
Anonymous said...

[We all?] agree with the outrage over Zumbo's comments and believe the response of his sponsors is appropriate. However, I think we should take Jim at his word, that he spoke out of ignorance and will do his best to make up for it.

The results of this event include some ammunition for the Brady Bunch, but it also includes a gifted writer who has finally seen the light. Jim can be a valid champion for 2nd amendment moving forward. He understands the blind spot many hunters have and could be very effective in preaching to that particular section of the choir.

We need to congratulate the industries that responded to our outrage, but we then need to move on. Jim Zumbo, if he really understands, could be a tremendous help in educating the "sporting purposes" crowd.
You make some points I can empathize with, Anon, but saying "I'm sorry" is not the same thing as saying "Forgive me." I've not heard that from JZ, who spoke as much from arrogance as he did from ignorance. I also have not seen any kind of plan from him on what exactly he intends to do to repair the damage--hunting with the Nuge doesn't cut it. In fact, the Fudd Gun Syndicate is circling the wagons as their own past sins are coming to light--and their response of last resort is to compare the justifiably furious to mental cases, which kind of adds fuel to the "terrorist" crack, wouldn't you agree?

It would be a storybook ending if the ultimate outcome could be as you suggest, but many of us are sick and damned tired of the AHSA/Hunters for Kerry types, who need to be exposed and shunned by the pro-gun community for the quislings that they are.

I can sympathize on a human level with a man losing as much as Zumbo has over this. But we are in nothing less than a fight for our lives and freedom, and punishment for dereliction of duty in the field is harsh by necessity. If the people who Jim Zumbo and David E. Petzal endorsed giving the power to ban militia-suitable rifles get their way, we'll all stand to lose a hell of a lot more than writing gigs and sponsorships.

Just ask Wayne Fincher. If we're going to feel bad for someone, I'd say he deserves a hell of a lot more consideration.

Wednesday, October 22, 2008

There's a Man with a Gun Over There

Yes, we are living in a society where every responsible citizen has the right to a choice on whether or not they will carry a gun, openly or concealed--or we should be.

My latest Examiner.com piece is up. Head on over, and please help spread the word on this excellent new platform for reaching outside "the choir."

Tuesday, April 29, 2008

A Two-Edged Sword

Two students attending Eagan and Apple Valley high schools were expelled last week after buying souvenir swords during a spring break choir trip in the United Kingdom.
So--do you think the outraged parents will organize and oust the board members? Good luck--most are controlled by the teachers' unions, and most parents don't care enough to get involved.

This is the kind of stuff that should give us pause when pointing out how far places like the UK have degenerated. We have no shortage of control freaks and people who won't stand up to them here.

[Via Jeffersonian]

Friday, January 15, 2021

Speaking of Fake News

 Assume nothing you read is true ... Why is this being published at all? ... The all too perfect choir ... The inconsistencies ... You’re not allowed to dissent ... The wording ain’t Right! ... People acting at variance with what is being reported ... [More]

And not just from the DSM. I get tips all the time from "our side" that are impossible to verify and in many cases are easily shown to be false with just a minute's worth of checking. Passing stuff along without question has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time. 

And yeah, even with precautions, I still get snookered good once in a while.

[Via Michael G]

Monday, July 06, 2020

Screeching to the Choir

California governor bans singing in church [More]
Is he prepared to send armed enforcers into the First AME Church, especially if they're doing “Lift Ev’ry Voice and Sing”?

And oh, look: L'état, c'est moi.  It's good to be the king.

Newsom always did ignore laws he had no intention of obeying while dispatching those armed enforcers to the door of those who questioned him.

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Dispatches from the Front

We were talking yesterday about the Palm Pistol, and I exchanged a few emails with Matthew Carmel. He made a point I think it's important to consider, something I'm sensitive to, having lived in California all those years:

I also wanted to mention my surprise concerning peoples reaction when observing I am located in NJ. I live in this state, where else should my ideas come from? As much as I dislike the anti-gun attitudes here, it is not a foreign country. The anti-gun states are the front line in the battlefield for defending the Second Amendment. It would preaching to the choir if I lived in Texas. It is much more important, like George Patton, to bring the fight to your enemies.

Thursday, December 31, 2009

Hiding in the Choir

Mike H examines circumstances where it will become intolerable. [More]

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Who are the "Only Ones" We Can Trust with Guns?

How often have we been told this though, by police officials, by politicians, by anti-gun groups, by the media? Our laws have been geared to exempt police from carry restrictions in "No Guns" zones, assigning to the uniform and the badge an automatic and unquestioned trust that police are better trained, and just generally more cheerful, thrifty, brave clean and reverent than we mere mortal citizens. They are, we are told, the only ones who can handle the awesome trust of being armed in public.
My latest Examiner.com post is up, and it covers a subject very familiar to WarOnGuns regulars.

Hey, not bad for the 2nd day on the job (click image to enlarge)--this may yet make a go if it:



I've started compiling link lists and feeds. Right now I'm looking specifically for Ohio gun bloggers. If you are one, and would like to reciprocate links with my Examiner page, let me know and I'll include your blog in my list.

In the mean time, I'll continue to shamelessly beg for regulars here to support this effort by spreading the word. A growing audience not entirely comprised of choir members couldn't hurt...

Friday, January 20, 2012

Houses of the Holy

Investigators say a man armed with a shotgun robbed a choir group at a church in Goose Creek Wednesday night. [More]
If people are going to act like geese, why be surprised when a predator shows up? 

Still, what kind of maniac would not object to bringing guns to church for self-defense?

Monday, July 06, 2009

Meanwhile, Across the Pond in Sarah Brady Paradise...

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. [More]
This was the catalyst for my newest Guns Magazine column, just submitted a minute ago. The article practically wrote itself.

Speaking of the magazine, I just realized I haven't given a column link in a while. Here are my latest efforts there:

Monday, February 05, 2007

"In Search of the Second Amendment"--An Interview With David T. Hardy

A growing body of serious research, led by eminent professors, historians, lawyers and Constitutional scholars, is providing overwhelming evidence that “the people” of the Second Amendment refers to you and me.
That introduction is from the March 2007 issue of GUNS Magazine, where I review attorney and author David T. Hardy's new documentary, "In Search of the Second Amendment."

My conclusion:
David Hardy has given us an important tool to use in educating ourselves and others.
Here's a brief summary about Mr. Hardy and his film:

David T. Hardy served as producer and director of In Search of the Second Amendment. He is an attorney and Second Amendment author, whose 1974 law review article, “Of Arms and the Law” played a key role in beginning the academic rediscovery of the Second Amendment.

Hardy is author of five books, including “Origins and Development of the Second Amendment” and the N.Y. Times bestseller “Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man,” which rebutted Moore’s slander of the NRA, Charlton Heston, and gun owners. He is also author of twelve law review articles, including one on firearms laws that has been cited by the U.S. Supreme Court and eleven of the thirteen U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeals.

“I spent thirty years researching the right to arms, and four years of my life creating this film. My purpose was to produce something not only educational, but compelling. There’s been enough preaching to the choir. I wanted to produce something that would win hearts and minds, that would convert anyone with an halfway open mind into someone who appreciates and values the American right to arms.”
And now on to the interview...
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DC: There are plenty of books on the subject of the Second Amendment. Why do we need a DVD?

DH: There are indeed plenty of books on the right to arms -- almost all of them written by people interviewed in the documentary. If you want a thorough grounding in the Second Amendment, you can buy 2-3-4 of them, and spend a week or two reading them and trying to memorize their content. Or you can watch the movie, and learn all you need to know in two hours. And this time, you'll remember it all.

It's also great for educating your children, and winning over the undecided. A week's reading assignment will be a chore for the first, and laughed off by the second. Offer them an entertaining and educational movie, and you'll win them over.

I mean -- how many people have read a book on 18th century naval history, but watched "Master and Commander?"

DC: Give us a synopsis of your video—what should someone who is thinking of buying it expect?

DH: The *complete* story of the right to arms, beginning with the earliest Britsh law, moving forward to the colonies, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. From there to the earliest American legal commentators, all of whom said it was an individual right. Then the Black experience -- disarmed under Slave Codes, and then under the Black Codes, which led to the 14th Amendment (1868), which was meant to stop state disarmaments of people. Then the use of arms in the civil rights period -- "nonviolence" got the press, but a lot of civil rights workers survived because they were armed. Finally, the current value of the right to arms, genocide, preservation of democracy, 2.5 million defensive uses per year.

This isn't me talking (I do the narration, just to fill gaps) but twelve professors of constitutional law, attorneys, Prof. Kleck on the 2.5 million uses, two armed civil rights workers.

DC: What do you say to someone who says times have changed, that history is interesting but not relevant to the present? After all, it’s not like we have citizen militias any more.

DH: And we saw the impact of that in Hurricane Katrina. Organize people, and they're a pack. Don't, and in a disaster they become a helpless herd.

Several of the professors address just that question. At a practical level, Prof. Reynolds discusses how his idea of an international right to arms, to prevent genocide, is gaining some traction. Prof. Kleck discusses 2.5 million defensive uses. Two attorneys discuss how the police have no legal duty to protect you.

And Prof. Barnett points out that if people want others to respect their rights, they must be prepared to respect our rights to arms; any method that can be used to destroy the second amendment can be used to destroy any other right, as well.

DC: Who is your audience, or put another way, what’s your plan to get your message outside the circle of gun owners who agree with you, especially to people who have formed their opinions based on what they learned in school or picked up from the mainstream media?

DH: My first effort is to get it out there -- which means to activists. They can become an Army of Davids, to use Prof. Reynolds' book title. With this DVD, each gunowner can become a one-man or one-woman PR firm for the right to arms.

From there, I can try to expand, to radio talk shows, that manner of thing, and carry the message further.

To help them with that, I put a license on the website. After April 1, any purchaser can show the DVD on local cable TV without limit. The antis have no comparable tool. We can swamp them.

DC: You make a point of illustrating the role firearms played in the defense of civil rights. Why is it that today’s minority leaders not only don’t tell their followers about this history, but many actively promote citizen disarmament in the very communities where individuals are most at risk from violence?

DH: I suspect it's largely a matter of fashion. "Nonviolence" caught the media eye, and nobody is going to go against that tide. But the civil rights workers I have in the film said that, while the leadership back in New York or wherever was appealing to nonviolence, most civil rights workers went nowhere without a gun. One says that when he came into the office after being chased by the Klan, all the others asked him why he didn't use his gun, and he was startled when one pulled a revolver out of his pocket, gave it to him, and said it was a loaner, he had another one in the car.

DC: Do you think a bunch of academics are going to appeal to “ordinary” people?

DH: These ones will. All are incredibly articulate -- no eggheads here. Actually, law profs are rarely eggheads. They're training people to survive in a courtroom, not a library.

DC: Are you getting much help spreading the word from pro-gun organizations, gun magazines, websites, etc.?

DH: Some. NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund was very, very helpful. Gun Owners' Foundation helped, too. Paladin Press and Ruger helped as well.

Gun Owners and JPFO have ordered some to distribute, and some gun bloggers have helped to promote it. I've sent review copies to a number of gun magazines, but the only response has been from Gun Week, Soldier of Fortune, and you.

DC: What can supporters do to help you promote this documentary and expand its audience?

DH: Get one, or better yet two, and give the spare to your school or library. Show it on cable TV. If you have an email list, tell them about it.

DC: Assuming you recoup your production costs, what are your plans to grow your audience?

DH: If I can make enough, I'd like to start running ads (I had only enough for one to date) to get it out there. I'd also like to hire a publicist to lobby for radio talk show coverage.

I may this year start work on a followup that will deal with the history of the modern gun and antigun movements. I've got 30 years of research there, too. There's history there, and nobody's getting younger. We've already lost the two key players, Harlon Carter and Neal Knox.

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I'd like to thank Mr. Hardy for participating in this interview, and for putting up with my playing "Devil's Advocate" on a few of these questions.

He has agreed to check in from time to time today to answer questions from WarOnGuns visitors. Please--it will be appreciated if everyone follows a few simple ground rules: Stay on topic, give others a chance, and keep your question brief. Just post your question below as a "Comment," and he will do the same--please also note that we don't expect him to be hostage to his keyboard all day waiting for queries to pop up. It's OK to ask a question if his answer to the previous one hasn't appeared yet--he'll get to them as he checks in.

I haven't established a cut-off time for this--he'll let us know when he needs to check out.

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Here's how you can order your own copy of "In Search of the Second Amendment":

Send check or money order for 24.95, plus $2 s&h (Arizona residents add $1.52 sales tax) to:
Second Amendment Films
8987 E. Tanque Verde
PMB 265
Tucson AZ 85749

Or click on the "Buy Now" Visa/Mastercard icon in the left margin of the documentary website.


UPDATE: INTERVIEW OVER, THANKS FOR CHECKING IN, BUT THIS TOOK PLACE FOR ONE DAY ONLY, SO COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

Thursday, July 10, 2008

Rate My Only One Redux

For most people, making a mistake on the job is tough enough. But imagine the whole world finding out about it and then judging you on the Internet.

That's happening to many police officers across the country.
We've visited this issue before, so I'll not make the same points again. What I will do is point out the comments at the NBC10.com site maintaining this is something bad.

Getting news from gun blogs has a hidden cost in terms of reaching outside "the choir": That's usually the only reach your comments will have, and the general public--who we need to get our message to, particulary about RKBA and/or The "Only Ones"--will too often be left in the dark as to "our" side of things.I suggest that we all make it a practice when commenting on stories on blogs to also post the same comment on the originating site. Yes, it will take an extra moment, but surely everyone can see the outreach benefit of making this a regular practice...

[Via Jon Soderberg]

Wednesday, November 25, 2009

'Not Without a Fight' Gun Rights Documentary Completed

Gun rights documentary maker Max Lemus informs me his "Not without a fight" video has been completed and its official release date is today. [More]
Find out how you can purchase your copy in today's second Gun Rights Examiner column.

This young man invested months of his life traveling the country to interview gun rights activists, and invested his own savings in order to bring this to us, and I think he's created a tool that can be very helpful in spreading the message "outside the choir." When you consider how uncompromising the views presented are, that's really a pretty remarkable achievement.

I'd like to think someone who has earned our support deserves to actually receive it.

If not from you, then who?