Wednesday, November 26, 2008

H-S Precision and Horiuchi Confirmed

I just got off the phone with one of their employees about the report that they printed a Lon Horiuchi endorsement on the back of their catalog.

It is true.

We chatted for about 5 minutes, about the background, about the intent, about the ramifications, and about what's next. I scribbled notes as quickly as I could, but decided to hold back and await an official company statement.

I'm sending a link to this and to last night's post to my contact there, so I'm sure their management will see your comments.

Naturally, I'll follow this story as it develops.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Last night, I sent emails to H-S Precision, to Cabella's, and to Sportsman's Warehouse.

I told them all that H-S Precision publicizing this endorsement is a brazen disregard for the opinion of their customers.

I will today write to Remington Arms co. and to Savage Arms, who both put H-S stocks on their tack-tickle rifles.

Some people don't get it until it hits them in the pocketbook.

Longbow

Anonymous said...

I got an email recently telling again how Jane Fonda visited some cleaned-up show prisons in Hanoi and asked the U.S. servicemen whether they were sorry for killing women and babies. (Then she turned over to the camp commander the slips of paper the men handed her with their serial numbers on them when she shook hands with them. Men were beaten, and some died.)
Anyway, whether that's an urban legend or not, here we have a company making a hero and an authority out of an actual baby-killer.
Are all the executives at H-S under 20? Waco and Ruby Ridge get daily mention in our circles. Were they just a prelude?
And Eric Holder, #2 under Janet Reno, is back as U.S. Attorney General nominee.
Now is not the time to coddle those who value order over freedom, obedience over life.

Chas S. Clifton said...

I'm amazed, and not in a good way.

Anonymous said...

This is EXACTLY the same as having Jack the Ripper endorse a knife.

Are they out of their f***ing minds?

Oh, well, this is how companies get educated - by outraging potential customers. That's not a wise move at any point in time, but is particularly stupid now that the world economy sucks and there will likely be less sales of their products even without this insult, this reward for a murderer.

Anonymous said...

Lon Horiuchi should be tried for his crimes for shooting innocent people.

The Freeholder said...

Good Lord. I was really hoping for an Internet hoax. I guess it's time to start sending emails.

Anonymous said...

Can anybody really believe that this was anything but an oversight? HS went looking for someone to endorse their firearms. They just didn't exercise due care in vetting Horiuchi's background. You can argue that this was incompetent and negligent and even stupid, but I just can't believe that HS is trying to send the message that their firearms are great for killing babies.

Confronted with it, they'll either try to brush it off as a few overly sensitive people (if outcry is small enough) or they'll issue a retraction and an apology.

As for me, I'll cut them some slack when I see the retraction and apology.

Anonymous said...

Well, just for the record; Horiuchi didn't kill any baby that we know. He killed a nursing mother by shooting her in the head through a window. Her baby survived, IIRC.

Has was tried in Idaho, but got off. I don't know the details, but I'm sure that if you're terribly interested you can find the court docs. -- Lyle

Anonymous said...

Makes a good point, I think. "This is what They have. What do you have?"

Kinda like "Somewhere your enemy is training to kill you."

Anonymous said...

There's nothing mistaken about Horiuchi's role in dealing with rifle vendors.

This endorsement proves he was promoted to an honorable position within the FBI sniper community not only because of his performance to blow the brains out of a woman's head without hitting the baby on her breast, but also his willingness to follow cold-blooded, stomach-wrenching and patently illegal orders without question.

Anonymous said...

Does that company get all their business from the police and military? I can't imagine what other sort of customer an endorsement from someone known solely for murdering an unarmed woman would help them with...

Anonymous said...

LMAO!!! this is like Lynn Thompson getting OJ Simpson to endorse Cold Steel products.....

Sam said...

If HS-Precision is this stupid (and insensitive) there is no way I will by their products. My God! This is outrageous!

Anonymous said...

I have had that catalog with Horiuchi's endorsment months ago. It was out there for a while

You guys make it sound like it just happened.

He was one of the guys from the FBI providing developemnt feedback to HS on their government contracts.

Anonymous said...

Lon was a fine HRT member and Agent. He is skilled beyond the norm...I would back him up anytime...

Anonymous said...

And Josef Mengele was a fine physician. I'd totally back him in the OR any time. I'm sure both murderers are happy with our endorsements. And BFD if the catalogue has been out for awhile, that has squat to do with the price of tea in China. Previous Anon, You speak like a true disciple of the weasel words crowd. Hows about you go fist yerself ya JBT toadie creep.

Anonymous said...

He never faced trial.

As Wikipedia says:

In 1997, Boundary County, Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, with the help of special prosecutor Stephen Yagman, charged Horiuchi in state court with involuntary manslaughter. Horiuchi successfully petitioned to remove the case to federal court,[4] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[1]

The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[1] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County Prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed. Yagman, the special prosecutor, responded that he "could not disagree more with this decision than I do."[5]

The ninth Circuit granted Boundary County's motion to dismiss the case against Horiuchi on September 14, 2001.[6]

Anonymous said...

In other words, he is an "only one" and there is thus not a court in the land that will ever even put him on trial, let alone convict him, and he will never have to face the judgment of his peers in the form of a jury.

Anonymous said...

I say, let them make the rules as long as they are willing to have them shoved up their ahhhrrrrses. Now, we have the "green light" to target "innocent companies" at whose breasts HS-Precision nurses.

"Keep 'yer powder dry boys! We ain't seen nothin' yet!"

Anonymous said...

Wasn't Horiuchi also tied to the Waco slaughter? If I recall, he was apparently in a particular location and suspected to have fired on innocent men, women, and children fleeing the Waco conflagration. Spent brass was found at his location...

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe that HS is so clueless to have done this consciously. It just had to be a brain-fart.

I look forward to their official retraction and apology.

Anonymous said...

Yes, he was also involved with the Waco slaughter... For contact information for most companies selling HS products or with thier logos on the ad go to www.awrm.org and search for Horiuchi. There is also a scanned copy of the ad.

Anonymous said...

Too bad HS,(stand for Hitler's Shit?????) along with the suckups at Surefire and many other companies and purveyors of good quality stuff liked by good people and NaziScum everywhere,go along with glorifying the NWO NaziScum so many of our once respectable and honorable so called Public Servants(now Gods ) .Hoorah for Ronnie Barrett for refusing to deal with the Commies.We should all send the message to S&w,Ruger, Colt,the whole damn industry of moneychasing suckups who would rather deal with Adolf if he's got the bucks they "appropriated"from us,the sheeple of the USSA........Have any of these goonlovers heard of "oathkeepers"??????? I doubt it but my money is Not on the NaziMurderGoons and the sick BamaNation. At all...