[Foreword: This may make some uncomfortable, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. And after all, it's just a hypothetical "ping," but one I believe should be transmitted far and wide.]
"Kill All They Send..."
The Modest Proposal of "Homer Simpson's Dumber Brother" for Gun Confiscation & A Modest Counter-Proposal
By Mike Vanderboegh
Pinson, AL
The Modest Proposal of "Homer Simpson's Dumber Brother" for Gun Confiscation & A Modest Counter-Proposal
By Mike Vanderboegh
Pinson, AL
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." — Robert HeinleinCareer Foreign Service Officer and former Ambassador Daniel H. Simpson, now slumming in retirement as a member of the Toledo Blade & Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's editorial board, has a modest proposal entitled "The Disarming of America." Unlike Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" for the Irish poor to alleviate their hunger by eating their children, I think Ambassador Dan is really serious about his. A snippet:
"Hell, let's just start shooting the bastards. Let's get this crap over with while I'm still young enough to march in the victory parade down Pennsylvania Avenue." -- An American gun owner, overheard in a Birmingham, Alabama, gun store, 27 April 2007.
"The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm."In Timor Veritas"?
Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for 'carrying.'" -- The Toledo Blade, Wednesday, April 25, 2007
Not surprisingly the gun rights community has evinced more than a little anger at this brazen proposal for their disarmament and enslavement. David Codrea, whose War On Guns blogspot I greatly admire, has referred to Ambassador Dan as "Homer Simpson's Dumber Brother." Certainly Dan Simpson, if he is serious, has got to be one stupid human being not to anticipate the unintended consequences of his declaration, which plays into the worst fears and direst predictions of American gun rights advocates since the 1968 Gun Control Act. Yet, since the DC gun law was struck down by the Federal Appeals Court, the hoplophobes have become more open in their demands: we hear less about "reasonable restrictions" and much more about repealing the Second Amendment. Heck, even here in Alabama we've had a proposal (House Bill 600) to register every semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun in private hands in the state. Of course it doesn't have a snowball's chance of being passed, but. . . then why introduce it?
The Romans used to say "In vino veritas", or, "In wine there is truth." But these folks are not, as near as we can tell, drunk. Perhaps what we are dealing with is "In timor veritas"-- In fear there is truth. Cops have been known to inadvertently scare suspects so much that they blurted out their own unintended confessions and perhaps that is what is going on here. The gun grabbers are nervous. The Virginia Tech massacre was supposed to strengthen their legislative hand, yet it is the gunnies who seem the stronger for it now. We didn't react the old timorous NRA way as they expected us to. Those of us who share the traditional American values of the Founder's republic-- faith, responsibility, opportunity and armed defense of liberty-- have finally been pushed to the point that they've made us fighting mad. We've been pushed to the point where it is WE who are beginning to push back. And with their calls for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment, the gun control crowd is risking not just a push but a punch in the nose.
They look at the massacre and see the need for more regulation, registration and confiscation. We look at the dead innocents, deliberately disarmed and made easy targets in a carefully crafted, firearm-free environment, and blame their big liberal lies and unintended idiocies for the body count. "Gun Free School Zone" is a lie every bit as much as "Arbeit Macht Frei" and every bit as deadly. We see these bright young kids and talented professors who were killed without a hope of self defense, who were killed, indeed, by liberalism itself, and we blame the butchers with immaculate hands who cleared the way for the killer and made it all possible. Yet it is WE, the law-abiding and self-reliant, who are blamed by THEM, the servile toadies of collectivism. Our rising anger is in fact a measure of how close we are coming to a final break in this country between our two competing visions of America. Indeed, if Homer Simpson's dumber brother is serious, the opening shots of this impending civil war cannot be that far away.
One Ping Only (Please Deposit 50 Cents)
Captain Ramius: "Re-verify our range to target... one ping only."But let us assume that, for the sake of argument and illustration, Ambassador Dan's proposal is serious. Let us assume that he is presenting us with a fictional fascist future backdrop that we may play like a video game. Let us believe for the moment in the literal word of former Foreign Service Officer Daniel H. Simpson's proposal yet conjure up our own modest fictional counter-proposal. Like Captain Ramius in "The Hunt for Red October," Ambassador Dan has given us a ping. Let us then give him one ping back. These pings (his and ours) may be warnings, threats of imminent attack, pleas for understanding, or attempts at communication across the gulf of a vast, dense ocean which prevents any other way of determining real meaning. But in any case let us play a game, starting with the scenario he has given us:
Capt. Vasili Borodin: "Captain, I - I - I just..."
Captain Ramius: "Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please."
Capt. Vasili Borodin: "Aye, Captain."
"The Hunt for Red October," 1990
"The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building."Our modest counter-proposal posits the following:
1. Like the American Revolution, one third of populace will side with the King, one third with the opposition and one third will blow with the wind and take what comes. Of the resistant third, less than a third of those will risk anything to give form to their beliefs, thus only about ten or so percent of the population, roughly 30 million citizens, will actively support the folks who will engage Dan's "special squads". (You know the Nazis called their special squads "Einsatzgruppen.") In the Revolution, the active combatants, Continentals and militia, only amounted to 3% of the population. That would be about 10 million anti-confiscation guerrillas. Alternatively, we could use 10% of American gun owners as a good rule of thumb, and that would be just 8.5 million. But let's make it even tougher on ourselves. Let us say for the sake of argument that as a result of liberal media propaganda and the cumulative deleterious effect of liberal government schools, just one percent of American gun owners would fall into the "cold dead hands" category: that's a mere 850 thousand. These would be the hard core-- the men and women who know how to kill at range, and who, with their scoped .30-06 deer rifles can out-range and out-shoot the M16 rifles and 9mm submachine guns of Dan's American Einsatzgruppen.
2. Unlike the American Revolution, the civil war will reflect the coarsening of the rules of war and will look more like Iraq or Bosnia. The war would certainly extend to those whose direct and support it-- civilian or not-- as they are primary targets, far more so than the foot soldiers of Ambassador Dan's Einsatzgruppen. Bill Clinton extended our own rules of war in the Kosovo intervention to include the news media and other propagandists as legitimate targets. Under these rules, Ambassador Dan and his anti-gun ilk would all be dead men. But, this is just a hypothetical word representation of a video game of Simpson's fictional fascist future, so they need not be afraid just yet.
3. The war would not end until one vision of America or the other won. It would be war to the knife and knife to the hilt. The 850,000 traditional Americans would be determined to take as many of the Einsatzgruppen, their commanders and controllers with them as possible. And it would be far greater than a one-to-one ratio. The fanaticism that the liberals have always imputed to us, would in the event, become real and deadly. If Ambassador Dan's future fascists do win, it will be a Pyrrhic victory that would, for destruction and casualties, dwarf all of America's wars put together. Which, if you think of it, is a funny way to have a "safe" society.
"Kill all they send..."
Viet Minh Sergeant: "Do we take prisoners?"What would be the casualties? God alone knows, but they would be horrific. How would the government prosecute such a policy with their own police and military honeycombed with potential "traitors"? Poorly, I suspect. How many of those soldiers and policemen that Ambassador Dan is counting on to disarm us would, in the event, turn their weapons on the "National Command Authority"? More than enough to make success for his future fascists problematic. And not even during the previous civil war of 1861-1865 did an American army attempt operations with armed opponents astride and within its own logistical tail. And it would be a WAR, make no mistake, not the sanitary "police action" of the scenario of Homer's dumber brother. And how would the big bad boys of the ATF and FBI fare against committed freedom fighters? Even well-paid federal police bureaucrats just want to live until retirement. How long do you think they would last when team after team of them are shot down like dogs in the street, garroted in their sleep, poisoned in their mess halls, or found with their throats slit in guardposts, restrooms and bordellos? We will kill all you send, Ambassador Dan, until they stop coming.
Lt. Col. Nguyen Huu An: "No. Kill all they send... and they will stop coming." -- The Opening Scene of "We Were Soldiers"
"Bzzzzt. Boink. Beep. Game over. Please deposit 50 cents."
So, thus ends the intellectual, hypothetical exercise posed by this mandarin class former Foreign Service professional turned newspaper expositor of tyrannical schemes. Let us disclaim that no treasonous, gun-grabbing editorialists were harmed in the crafting of this fictional counter-proposal. But of course, if he's SERIOUS. . . . ;-)
41 comments:
I like your analogy of a ping. This "crazed liberal zealot" may be just testing the waters, but there are plenty out there who will read his tripe and agree with it.
The battle lines are drawn, he has given us a glimps into the anti's final objective. Maybe this will get some of the bystanders off the couch and into the conflict.
Yes indeed, Mr.Vanderboegh,indeed yes!
I have certainly enjoyed the previous posts of By Mike Vanderboegh. I think this is the best yet.
One point I would like to add. There should be three steps in the response to such a despotic attack on American freedoms:
1. When a jackbooted thug comes to take your gun, Kill Him And All Of The Thugs With Him.
2. After you have killed the thug who tried to take your gun, Kill All Of the Bureaucrats Who Sent Him And His Fellow Thugs.
3. After you have killed the thugs who tried to take your guns, and the bureaucrats who sent them, Kill All Of The Politicians Who Voted For The Legislation That Purportedly Justified that Taking, And All Of the Fellow Travelers Who Advocated And Worked For That Legislation.
Now, the point I want to make is that, although the response should be in the order stated here, the IMPORTANCE of each step is in the reverse order. So, the elimination of the politicians may come after the elimination of the thugs and bureaucrats, but it is the most important of the three steps.
The right of self-defense, and to keep and bear the means for such self-defense, is a basic human right which pre-dates the Constitution, and that right was codified and protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. An attempt to infringe on that basic human right is a violation of both human rights and Federal Law. Title 18 U.S.C. section 241, Conspiracy Against Rights, makes a conspiracy to violate such rights a felony. Because the federal government fails to protect the rights, it falls to the people to protect their own rights. Action should be taken against ALL of the conspirators, with the politicians and all others who advocated such infringements on the rights of the people being the most important.
I also note that, by advocating such unlawful activity, Homer Simpson's dumber brother has already violated 18 U.S.C. section 241. I just hope that he takes Mr. Vanderboegh's advice from an earlier essay, and comes himself, instead of sending someone else's son, husband or father to be the thug.
Obviously, we are designing a video game here. I want to throw this suggestion for a different PING into the mix. No actual politicians were hurt in the design of this video game. In fact, if it is realistic enough, none will be.
I have a picture of a human target with a 30.06 hole in the left brain group, with iron sights. Perhaps I should send it to him, and warn him that there will be no G*ddamned Kristalnacht here!
Forgot to mention, distance was 100yds.
I would not do that, crotalus. I don't think it would be perceived as the same type of hypothetical game design exercise we are discussing here.
Crotalus: While I once sent a well-ventilated steel blue helmet to Kofi Annan (product of our UN Day target shoot), that was some years ago and I doubt, the current laws being what they are vis-a-vis "terrorist threats", that you would get away with it without legal trouble. In any case, Homer Simpson's Dumber Brother received a copy of my essay at his personal work email address (and another copy went to the 'letters to the editor' of The Toledo Blade), so I think we can consider him fully informed.
I still am just a bit uncertain whether or not this isn't some Swiftian send-up, but if it is I can detect no obvious irony or satire and his previous writings track with a liberal bent.
You don't want to think that Americans can be this stupid, but... sigh.... I guess they can. The evidence is too obvious.
-- Vanderboegh
The other thing, V--perhaps not Swiftian--as I told you, that was one of my intial reactions, too--but Machiavellian in a sense. Perhaps he approached the editorial board to write a piece designed to provoke--so they could then harvest the "threats" from "gun extremists" and use them to further "justify" their agenda...Look for a follow up where they present selected portions of responses they've received.
O.k., I'll stand down.
Personally, I don't want to fight a revolution. Dan Simpson has almost guaranteed that it won't come to that. I can't believe this guy. He's a gift. He's low-hanging fruit. He's delectable. Do you realize how much easier our job would be if every like-minded kook just came out and said what Simpson says? The citizen armament debate would be over in one session of Congress, and they're be a public shooting range in the basement of the Capitol.
His plan is asinine. You don't have to resort to Nazi comparisons. Jesus, you don't even need historical, legal or philosophical arguments. Just the logistics of his plan are ample ammunition to ridicule him. Even if every (former) citizen was completely cooperative, the authorities would have to disarm 219,000 people a day to reach Simpson's goal in a year. There are only a little over 660,000 cops in the U.S. right now. Are we going to hire more or stop enforcing other laws? Where's the money going to come from? Where and how are all those confiscated arms going to be secured? What would be the economic impact on town and cities when, "on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building."
Think of the political ammunition you'd have if your opponent made statements like: "On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker... The poll workers would be wiping their behinds with the ballots bearing your opponent's name.
That's not all of the easy pickins, either. One of the potentially most useful arguments against disarmament is the fact that it's solely a political position, in contrast to, say, a public safety issue. (Well, it is a public safety issue, but not as envisioned by the disarmers.) There's no better way to illustrate this than to demonstrate how a leftist's position changes depending on whether or not his political party is calling the shots. I thought to myself: What if this guy spoke out against the NSA phone surveillance program? Wouldn't that be rich!
It's like a genie granted my wish:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06004/631953.stm
Simpson has absolutely no problem with a Democrat-controlled Congress authorizing that every person in the U.S., including grandma and her walker, be fenced in to prevent escape while government agents use the threat of force to conduct surprise searches throughout private and public property, for the purposes of confiscation. Presumably the searches are warrantless, since every person (and his possessions) will be searched without having even been tried, accused, or even suspected of committing a crime that curtails the liberties of his fellow citizens. Yet Simpson is completely outraged by the fact that Bush's administration has ordered the government to listen in on phone conversations of private citizens; also an infringement of liberty, but a comparatively minor one.
Right now there are an estimated 200 million guns in the armed custodianship of 60 to 80 million U.S. citizens. Okay. Let me get this straight: We're going to reassign our police forces to the task of searching every person in the U.S., the overwhelming majority of whom are not engaged in dangerous criminal activity. But it's not going to be a problem that we're diverting massive amounts of manpower and resources away from the real criminals, disarming their victims, and piling millions of usable weapons in known locations, under the guard of a relatively minuscule number of people, using a yet-to-be-created inventory management system that will, in theory, be more reliable than the one used to track our dismantled nuclear weapons. Right.
Anonymous sez:
"Personally, I don't want to fight a revolution. Dan Simpson has almost guaranteed that it won't come to that. I can't believe this guy. He's a gift. He's low-hanging fruit. He's delectable. Do you realize how much easier our job would be if every like-minded kook just came out and said what Simpson says? The citizen armament debate would be over in one session of Congress, and they're be a public shooting range in the basement of the Capitol."
You have more faith in the electoral process than I do, sir. Laws are passed every day without being thought through-- idiotic laws, asinine laws, laws passed on whims, lies and faulty logic-- whose unintended ill effects can be easily predicted in advance but are ignored because of the politics of the thing. Nothing illustrates that more than the proposed amnesty for illegal aliens. Indeed, that has the capability of destroying the fabric of our Republic more completely than any gun-grab. You are correct that Simpson has done us a favor by blurting out what they all think, and certainly it is easy to shoot down his proposal with logic, but most Americans live in a media created alternate universe these days where logic is distorted, mutated and often ignored. What you "feel" trumps what you "think" ten out of ten. The Gramscians are certainly still winning the culture war. Yet Simpson has still done us a favor by helping us motivate our base.
Then you say:
"His plan is asinine. You don't have to resort to Nazi comparisons. Jesus, you don't even need historical, legal or philosophical arguments. Just the logistics of his plan are ample ammunition to ridicule him."
Ah, perfectly true. But this is the crux of the matter. I have waxed eloquent on the "historical, legal or philosophical arguments" against gun control for thirty odd years now and it always comes to nothing for we and they inhabit different universes, different world-views. In the end, what I've been forced to argue that, one-on-one, always persuades them to walk away is this: "If you try to disarm us, we will kill you. Therefore, whatever happens afterward, you won't have to worry about it." Cravenly personal survival is something they DO understand. They would recognize Samuel Adams imprecation against those who would kiss the hands that chain them and agree, wondering what he was so mad about.
But mind you, they NEVER change their mind, they just walk away thinking you are nuts because you have some larger principle you are willing to die for and they do not. And the Gramscians among them-- the ones whose collectivist minds are very much clear-thinking and purposeful-- they just figure, "well, we may not have persuaded you but we'll talk your children into it."
Anonymous, I don't want to fight a revolution either. I have a wife and kids, I want to live, grow old, watch them carve happiness out of this mess our civic inattention has left them. But the only way I know from history to make that happen is to make the Dan Simpsons and American Gramscis understand that if they push us too far they are all dead men. Washington's quotation of the Roman dictum "those who wish peace should be prepared for war" is the most certain principle of human affairs throughout the centuries.
Our opponents must understand our will and our ability to execute that will. Like Joseph Stalin's comment on the Pope, they will only be persuaded by how many combat-ready divisions we can put into the field.
-- Vanderboegh
I'm going in a different direction here. I believe if the second amendment were repealed tomorrow the vast majority of gun owners would comply with the “order” to surrender all weapons.
I know of no case in New Orleans of an individual standing up to the naked aggression of the legions of cops who invaded the state during Katrina and disarmed every gun carrying citizen they encountered.
Here in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, CT) gun law after gun law passes without a whimper from the gun owning community. NYC’s 9 million plus inhabitants have, for all practical purposes, been disarmed and NY State will follow soon enough.
It may seem comforting to us, diehard supporters of the RKBA, to think that legions of citizen soldiers will rise up to stem any attempt to disarm and subjugate us, but they will not. To be honest, the average American today is too fat and happy.
Declan, what about Algiers Point? I heard that they banded together to keep looters out, and the cops wouldn't engage an organized neighborhood. Or was that not true?
Yes, Crotalus, Oxfordpress did a story on how the residents of Algiers Point banded together armed themselves and fended off looters and carjackers, but not the police. I have seen no reports of the police trying to disarm anyone in that neighborhood. It is worth mentioning that Algiers Point is a fairly affluent part of New Orleans and sustained little damage during the storm. This may have had an influence on the police decision not to disarm it residents.
http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/content/shared/news/nation/stories/09/10KATRINA_ALGIERS.html
Declan said...
I'm going in a different direction here. I believe if the second amendment were repealed tomorrow the vast majority of gun owners would comply with the “order” to surrender all weapons. . . Here in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, CT) gun law after gun law passes without a whimper from the gun owning community. NYC’s 9 million plus inhabitants have, for all practical purposes, been disarmed and NY State will follow soon enough. It may seem comforting to us, diehard supporters of the RKBA, to think that legions of citizen soldiers will rise up to stem any attempt to disarm and subjugate us, but they will not."
Quoth I: "Take not counsel of your fears."
Declan,
Even if your pessimism is true (and it is isn't, not even in the neutered part of the country that you hail from), keep yer bloody defeatism to yourself. Here in Alabama, we have no problem believing that gun registration (let alone confiscation) would be met with violent resistance. If you need somebody to hold your hand, move to the south. Otherwise, we've got enough self-doubt and defeatism to go around already. You try to make it sound as if you're just a realist, but in fact you're preaching defeatism.
--Vanderboegh
I saw this comment on another site and think it is more realistic:
"It will never go down like that though.
Gradually more and more people will be disqualified from owning guns.
More and more types of guns will be prohibited.
It will be harder and harder to buy guns
There will be fewer and fewer places to shoot guns
There won't be enough people interested in owning guns.
So when we have been whittled down, then it will happen. And we'll all be too old to do anything about it.
The political and cultural wars must be fought here and now.
SinistralRifleman"
BH
Vanderboegh, call it what you will, defeatism, pessimisism, bloody defeatism, self doubt, but the facts are the facts. Americans, with few exceptions, have not shown a violent resistance to gun laws. Slowly but surely we are being licensed and permited in every aspect of our RKBA. It even occurs in uneutered parts of the country. I know of ony two States who don’t put up with any of this nonsence and Alabama isn’t one of them.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought the comments section were for the the sharing of ideas and opinions on postings from The War On Guns blog? If we all kept our opinions to ourselves, we would have silence.
Section 13A-11-75
License to carry pistol in vehicle or concealed on person - Issuance; term; form; fee; revocation. The sheriff of a county may, upon the application of any person residing in that county, issue a qualified or unlimited license to such person to carry a pistol in a vehicle or concealed on or about his person within this state for not more than one year from date of issue, if it appears that the applicant has good reason to fear injury to his person or property or has any other proper reason for carrying a pistol, and that he is a suitable person to be so licensed.
Note: Alabama Law states it is "May Issue". I know of no Sheriff who doesn't Issue to all who qualify. Counties are not required to conduct a background check on applicants, but most do. That's why AL reciprocity is so limited with other states.
http://www.packing.org/state/alabama/
Declan is correct that American gunowners have not resisted the erosion of our RTKBA.
But that is only to say that the tiger you keep poking with a stick won't rip your head off just cause' he hasn't "yet" done so. Eventually that tiger is going to get pissed...
House to house searches, mass arrests, "special police", shredding the Bill of Rights, this would be a whole different ball of cheese.
I do concur that it would take massive action by the government to incur the actionable wrath of gunowners.
There were two particularly perceptive comments from the previous thread that apply hear. The first characterized this as a cold-war scenario. I think that's apt.
The other one was Brent's comment as to how the other side would actually proceed, in the event. I think that is also apt, and liberty's side should consider how to deal with Brent's scenario if it comes.
If this is a cold war, it is being fought on multiple fronts. The promulgators and overt supporters of tyranny and slavery are one front. A second important front is the front the other side will be working on as they play out the campaign Brent described.
Here is one possible way for liberty to operate on these multiple fronts: Scare hell, to the extent feasible, out of the tyrants, slavers, and enablers, without scaring hell, to the extent feasible, out of the people liberty might be able to coax in its direction (it will not happen quickly, it's a lot of conditioning to overcome, but I am living proof that it can be done).
The operational question is this: Can liberty do those two things effectively and simultaneously? Remember that it has to be effective; the consequences of defeat simply do not scan. Concentrates the mind, doesn't it? ;-)
Finally, assuming the first question can be answered in the affirmative, is that the best use of constrained resources?
I ask these questions because the Gramscians have a plan. Liberty needs one too.
Hey Mike,
Nice article. As usual you are on the mark. I would really enjoy finding out how you get all these comments from these editors and politicians. I guess I need to go back to school and learn how to search. Please send me your procedure.
AVDRT
Gun confiscation would not surprise me, starting in the most fierce anti-gun areas like northern California, New York and Illinois.
I had a JPFO sticker on my car (I rotate stickers every couple of years or so, that is why it is "had" not "have.") In 2004 I was pulled over in IL for 2 MPH over the speed limit by a K-9 unit. The officer was actually a very nice man, polite, etc. I was on my best, most cheerful behavior. He "cordially invited" me to sit in the police car, and I heard "woof!" "Isn't that sweet," I said. Well, it was. It was a dog, sweet by definition. But I knew full well the real reason for this. What a fishing expedition. Well, I don't own a gun nor do I shoot. I don't want to. But the *right* is a very important right, and it is God-given.
I am a Libertarian and I am not in denial about the Republicans. Bush and the Republicans (most of them) are fiercely anti-gun. We cannot rely on them to stop the horrific present-day trends.
We can send a message by supporting Libertarians, Constitutionalists, "Super-Third-Partiers" and all who realize that to keep and bear arms is a *right* and not a licensed privilege.
Please see my own blog, where 2 essays show that the neo-cons and the liberals are basically the same. My new essay is due up in a few days.
http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
Tim says,
If a total gun confiscation were to break out in America.
As Dan Simpsons conjures in his article. The acts by such a repressive police force with such authority would quickly been seen in the public eye, for what it is. Especially with the displays of police brutality and subversion that has hit the media as of Late.
People who use to have doubt , would have no more. And their views would be forced upon.
They'd either have to stand up for what they know is right, even though they may not want to commit.
During such a confiscation. Police acts of these government enforcers would more than probably, become violent in their nature. America has not forgotten Waco or Ruby Ridge and discounted it all, as mere policing of Bad people.
These incidents were much more than that.
But for people like Dan Simpson.
It will always be the fallacy of their thinking that destroys them.
Delusions of granduer have always failed when it comes to repression and opression of people who know what Freedom & Liberty really are.
If Dan Simpson thinks he has a force to be reconned with. He better start looking at the numbers of Americans who have just stopped voting because they know it doesn't make a difference anymore. And probably would welcome Mr. Simpsons little ditty. To move real Constitutional Democratic Republicanism, in the right dirtection.
It's time to clean the trash out of America and send it back from whence it came!
Alive or dead. It will not really matter in thee End!
Because Freedom and Liberty from oppression always destroys evil! Alway has, always will!
Reading the various discussions here, the total number of confiscators vs citizens does not take into account concentration of force. The confiscation squads would, first by doctrine and later by necessity, deploy in force against individual homes/businesses, thus skewing the balance in their favor. It's also likely that, in the early stages at least, that the media would ride along with the squads, maybe even broadcasting live. However, once the news media has covered a few of these raids in exhausting detail, those inclined to resist would have to make some kind of mutual assistance agreements, with the spectre of infiltrators and quislings to consider.
Also, having journalists in the mix would present its own set of problems, as the Montana Freemen found out. That would be aaddressed as a separate thread, I think.
Liberals always mean well and want only the best for society. The road to hell is paved with good intention.
In the next few years it should become obvious that the only truly effective counter to terrorism is a people numerous and well-armed. I'd add well trained (or "well regulated" if you prefer.) The obvious is often lost on those whose world view does not include self-reliance, and so I'm not sanguine that we'll see federally or state manadated militia training. More likely we'll see more of the "it didn't work because we didn't do enough of it" enforcement leading to more targts of opportunity also known as gun-free zones.
Our enemies compass us round about and plot our demise--for our own good they think. One enemy wants us to sacrifice ourselves to the good of the nation. Another wants us to sacrifice our beliefs for the good of our souls.
Meanwhile the greatest enemy lies within, a subtle belief--planted by years of peace--that it's not morally OK to defend yourslef while it it morally superior to hire someone with a gun to defend you. It's not so much who's in the White house as who's in my house. I don't know when or if I'll draw the line and thereby draw the sword. Most likely the external enemies want it that way.
As a Marine Corps veteran, and a currently serving LEO in Alabama, I find this idea to be repugnant in the extreme. To think that America - despite the foolishness of the past - would allow two seperate Amendments of the Constitution's Bill of Rights to be trampled (no, torn apart and utterly destroyed) in almost beyond comprehension.
It is obvious to me that Mr. Simpson should have spent a lot more time studying our Constitution instead of English and African Studies when he attended Yale and Northwestern. Granted, according to his bio he has spent a very significant portion of his life in Africa, including two stints as an Ambassador (how in heaven's name did this imbecile become an ambassador??? Unless it was a case of "let's send this moron over there where he can't do any real damage" - it was the Central African Republic 1990-92 and the Congo 1995-98; how much could he possibly screw up over there?), so I guess that is where he learned some of his more novel ideas about controlling the populace - African nations having such a 'stellar' record of protecting the rights of its various peoples after all.
----Cough, cough, hack, gag.... oh well, almost got it out with a straight face----
In any event, if something like this were to come to pass in my lifetime, you won't see me as part of one of the confiscation squads - I'll be standing by waiting for the first fool who tries to take my weapons away. It is possible that they will eventually get them, but I will 'turn over' a heck of a lot of ammunition first!!
I'm proud, PROUD I say, to live in a nation where for two hundred years the president has feared to hunt alone with some random member of the population, and that random person has feard to hunt alone with the vice president.
If gun control means being able t hit your target, our leaders seem to have less of it today than they used to.
I think Mr. Simpson was having a wet dream. Most people, him included, simply do not have a clue about the _size_ of these United States.
However, I also agree that it won't happen. The "boiled frog" process has been so successful, it will merely continue.
It is a sad, sad thing that the Washington DC area "sniper" was a couple of idiots, rather than patriots, because I consider their motis operandi to be a very effective one. They didn't pick their targets, they didn't pick anything. They just murdered people randomly, and nothing will so quickly make the masses support gun prohibition than that they _fear_ arms in the hands of common citizens (like these two idiots).
Had it been only politicians, bureaucrats, high-level cops, who had been hit, ... I don't know. Waco happened, and the Fed.Gov had to stage it's _own_ repercussion. This country has had prison camps, conscription, crippling taxes, repulsive regulation, _and_ gun ownership.
Mmmmm! Boiled Frog sure tastes good, don't it?
...from a bunker in Texas on the Gulf Coast:
My first read of your blog, David. You've got some great insight and amongst your other blog responders, some folks worthy of running a country properly. We all better keep an eye on the likes of Mr. Simpson. Even crazy ideas can "get legs" when the timing is right.
I don't consider your ideas to be crazy, but that of scenario that could actually play out while we're on this earth. Things in goverment, esp. in Washington, just don't seem to add up. It's more than purely selfish butt-covering by g-men who want to retire after 20 years. Most of what is comming out of the legislatures of many states and all of our congress shows that they are collectively loosing their mind. Some of the proposals are downright bone-chilling.
The JPFO.org's video "Innocents Betrayed" certainly "shows" this worst case scenario better than any film/video I have heard of. If only schools taught history, we might have a chance!
Final thought. I had a vision the other day that our republic, and that of the world in general, is made up of FOUR classes of people (or roles):
the SHEEP
the SHEPHERD'S
the WOLVES
and the SHEEPDOGS
The SHEPHERDS have sold-out or are misguided. The sheep are asleep, on drugs or don't care. It's going to come down to the SHEEPDOGS and the WOLVES at some point. Unfortunately, the battles lines you refer to may find that all THREE classes line up against the SHEEPDOGS. Oh, well, I'd rather die fighting than being found good for nothing but "cannon-fodder!"
Well said Mark from the bunker..and a definitive stand aptly expressed Mr. Codrea.
1. Technology drives change: The Welsh Long Bow took the tax collecting knight off his horse from a distance, often while the marksman was hidden in the bush, driving the political change from serfdom to freedom. We must develop and present similarly potent devices that can take out tanks, heli's, APC, immobilize forces from a distance, jam signals, recon from the air (drones), launch attack based on GPS coords, etc. Then our brighter dawn will come.
2. Communication between the 3 percenters must be cemented prior to the conflict. Easier said then done, but a system such as a call list where each person reaches 10 will quickly cement forces. This is how the original revolution presented 10,000 plus armed men to the British in short order - less than a day by each person reaching a predetermined list of 10 or more like minded.
3. Aggressors must be predetermined.
T - M - B strategy for target actions: Top level, Mid level, Bottom level. Top includes the anti freedom politicians, think tanks, bankers, UN, New World Order promoters, lobbyists, supporting contractors, industries, commanders, chiefs, DA's, etc.
Mid level includes head of local offending agencies, state level sell-outs, management, etc.
Bottom level are the ones dressed fashionably like JBT's, lobbing flash grenades, trying to burn us out alive, testing their drones out on our homes, and sending microwave pulses to scald us from a football field away. You will know them when the laser dot hits your chest.
Implement this simple strategy of paring technology beyond the common and increasingly impotent firearm to more impactful battle worthy technology; create a communication link that can amass a critical force, and then have a ready process for exercising the force with the T-M-B strategy, and success in the form of freedom, will be ours - in this video game that none of us want to play.
"I believe if the second amendment were repealed tomorrow the vast majority of gun owners would comply with the “order” to surrender all weapons."
I keep hearing this defeatist claptrap so much, I start to wonder if those expressing it are not BATFE agents indulging in a disinformation campaign.
Imagine a general, speaking to his troops before a battle: "We've got a very hard opponent, with all the advantages. And we all know that, when the first shot is fired, you all will tuck tail and run, or roll on your backs, expose your bellies like puppies and piss yourselves in your desire to ingratiate yourselves with our opponents. So there is no way we can win." Wouldn't such a general be cashiered immediately, if not taken out and shot?
Perhaps it is simple ignorance. It is one thing for gun owners to see laws passed that threaten them; it's another thing entirely to see such laws enforced effectively. These defeatists don't seem to know the difference. Perhaps it's that government school "education", that forgot to tell him that the Founders were also breaking the law and fighting an "impossible" fight. Even in declan's own area, the New Jersey assault weapon ban generated what, 10% compliance?
This won't be played out in a flooded, broken city where no one knows what is going on, and the first time you get an idea is when some goon on your front porch is pointing an M4 at your chest. There will be plenty of time to prepare and operate. Declan can take his defeatist fantasy and shove it.
Bob Robertson said... "Mmmmm! Boiled Frog sure tastes good, don't it?"
I hear it tastes like chicken.
;^)
It all comes down to personal convictions about what is and what is not acceptable as it pertains to government encroachment.
It is with severely flawed reasoning that a politician/government/authority would demand my guns while possessing their own. Or, making that demand while pointing theirs at me.
Make no mistake about it, the Second Amendment exists solely to dissuade a rogue government's uninvited smothering of it's people.The very small percentage of the population that will not conform to the lunacy of gun confiscation, Have already made peace with their decision to lay their life on the line should the need arise. The premium on freedom is very costly! Only an arrogant inflated ego would allow a person to think that it isn't.
When a government disarms a society, it has through that action, declared war on its citizenry.
It is important to realize too, that although the anti-gunners would have folks believe that pro-gunners are crazed, fire-power loving freaks; it ain't about the guns at all. It is about FREEDOM and SELF-PRESERVATION
The problem I see here is the 3 mo amnisty period. I have news for ya, if they announced this, it would be the begining of a second civil war and what I could do in three months? Heh, they can send anyone they wont. Unless they are psychic they wont find me OR my hardware. This is the rambling of an unintelligent neo-facist idiot who has watched too many gestapo movies. If this really happened there would be a mass blood letting and since we have all the guns.........
The no-balls libturds talk crap as long as they think they can get useful idiots to do the dirty work. If they had to do more than talk, they'd be lost.
They can pry mine from my cold dead hands
First, they crash the economy and our money is devalued to zero. Then a false flag nuke attack blamed on Iran, the draft starts, and everyone (including women) up to age 42 is sent off to war, leaving only older people and young kids. Then, they fire up the cell towers with the military's "silent sound" transmission which makes everyone react like rabid wolves. Don't forget the phony flu scares and the killer vaccines they intend to force us to take so we die. Also, they are cutting off our food and
water, famine anyone?, and the air is already contaminated with chem-
trails and radiation from Japan. Our reactors are about ready to blow because of flooding up north, so we'll have a Fukishma 2 right here, while the bigwigs hide in their underground bunkers with their Mountainhouse food stores.
Add race war to the mix, attacks on whites are multiplying by black youth gangs, some of which were fatal, and we're in for a real fun time.
I think it's time to get down on our knees and pray to Almighty God for mercy. We've been aborting our babies for decades and are now being replaced by third world immigrants sucking up our tax dollars, which will soon be gone.
We are outnumbered, and better be prepared to defend ourselves and win.
I forgot the energy weapons. I have been hit with them over the past six years, and it's no joke. Twice a black hole formed over the window in my living room, a dot of light appeared, which broke up into jagged lines forming a circle. The lines moved outward until they stopped and formed a solid circle, from which burning rays shot out. It took just a few seconds to have me on the floor, totally sickened and burned, like a sunburn. If the attack had lasted longer, I would have been dead. I was on the floor for over 2 hours. Plane or satellite-based weapon? I don't know, but it wasn't the only way I was attacked.
These jerk mean to kill us, and they have the means to do so. They have laser-type rifles as well, which turn people into blobs of goo on the sidewalk.
The protocols of the learned satanic elders of zion state that they will have the means to kill their enemies anywhere on earth instantly. We have our work cut out for us.
They are not going to disarm the public. They are going to release an infectious disease and kill off a large percentage of the populace, and whats left will be easy to control.
Also, don't forget the millions of foreign troops and concentration camps that are here to round us up and kill us so the Chinese can have our land. Check out Jeff Rense's site and the translated speech of sby the Chinese head of state saying that it's okay to kill 100-200 million Americans so they can take our homes and land. They manufacture the killer vaccines, by the way. Contrived "natural" disasters, engineered diseases, and let's not forget the new electronically controlled water valve devices recently installed in many neighnorhoods across the nation to allow poisoned water into our homes. They have thought of everything--except God and the will of free men to live free!
Just remember George Washington's vision--that the whole world united (and it is) will not defeat us, and we will be victorious in the end. But we must return to God, stop killing or children and living like beasts. AMEN!
To "Anonymous" Energy weapons? You said, "Twice a black hole formed over the window in my living room, a dot of light appeared, which broke up into jagged lines forming a circle...
Sounds just like a classic migraine aura to me. The remainder sounds like the ravings of a lunatic. Maybe your tinfoil hat is a bit too tight. Sorry, but the truth will set you free, Dude. Kentucky Jones
Mike V. has unfortunately, summed it up. We are millions, but except for the folks we know personally we are essentially, disorganized citizen (potential) soldiers. We're a hard target since we offer no head shot. Might work. Don't know.
I told a friend today that I keep trying to shunt this to the side and live my 'real' life, but I look around and it is still there.
I read scripture and it's warnings of persecution. But I hadn't figured after them coming after us in almost an exact slo mo implementation of typical Marxist tactics.
People figure it would be illogical to destroy a large part of the productive class. Who would pay for the non-productive? Answer: they don't care! Marxism is not logical. It is however, extremely murderous.
This is a daggone nightmare unfolding around us.
Felix
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