Thursday, May 22, 2008

Olofson Responds...

...to Sebastian's post and to comments that we discussed yesterday.

Go and read.

UPDATE: Sebastian properly deemed it deserving of its own post.
Posted by David Codrea at 5/22/2008 10:25:00 AM

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sebastian could have conducted an interview of some sort directly and not indirectly.
Maybe it's time for you to do that somehow David. Could you get Olofson and his lawyer to do something like that, an interview? Nothing that would endanger any coming legal filings and or actions. Seemingly intelligent Second Amendment folks may have misunderstanding and information about this case that could effect the whole industry.

5/22/2008 11:07 AM
Anonymous said...

What I posted on the site:

SayUncle sez:

[...] That pretty much nails. A few of us have been having that conversation off line for a while now. Partially due to uncertainty and because, frankly, that view would piss off a lot of pro-gun people. But Olofson f-cked up and could have f-cked us in the process. That doesn’t make ATF any less culpable for basically cheating to win. [...]

I've got a question: do you spaghetti-spined cheesed-cks have ANY principles you're willing to risk ANYTHING for? A guy gets screwed blued and tattoed for having a weapon that accidentally went unsafely stuttering -- something that if you ever handled semiauto rifles at all for any length of time you know happens frequently -- and ALL you worry about is what effect its going to have on you if he APPEALS?!? What sorry cowardly pukes you are. And my real name is Mike Vanderboegh. My real address is 6635 Womack Road, Pinson AL 35126. Just in case any of you brave weenies want to look me up.

5/22/2008 12:29 PM
Sebastian said...

I've upgraded that comment to a post. It deserves to be heard.

5/22/2008 2:37 PM
Anonymous said...

Mike an appeal is in progress in this situation and as it should be. What I see is a bunch of misinformation being spewed and it makes people nervous. I believe the cause of this nervous feeling is the lawyer who brought on the DC case telling Justice JPS that there is such a thing as good common sense gun control.
At this point many that I know have contacted groups and demand as members that this case be giving their help.
As well as our elected members of both houses of congress. I'm sure when many are seeing misinformation that doesn't look like this case is being handled very well it's a worry in light of what we just saw in front of the High Court.
But I agree with you, too many do not take any action because they are worried about Big Brother. That's all the more reason to get involved because if people don't it's not going to get better.

5/22/2008 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...

My latest reply to the cheesers:

Sez I: "They are ignorant, arrogant and armed but they want to live to draw a pension. Its guys like you, with your 'lions, and tigers and bears, oh my' attitude who encourage their depredations."

Sez you: "So you’re suggesting if we threaten to kill them, they will back off? Sorry, I’m not willing to cross that Rubicon at this point in time. I think 99% of pro-gun activists are with me on that one."

Oh, you are certainly correct about "with me on that one." Freedom has ever been defended by a tiny yet determined minority. I have never suggested that "we threaten to kill them." But the code I have always written of, and lived my life by, is that of a free man -- I will not be arrested by people who have shown that they operate a criminal enterprise under color of law. If I tell them, as I have, that I have broken no law so I will not be arrested, they may take whatever uncertainty in their own minds as that may be regarding their own safety in accomplishing my demise. I have no need to spell it out. I DO have need to raise the spectre, so that they understand the Law of Unintended Consequences is in effect before they violate it. All of criminal deterrence, private assault or governmental tyranny, is based on the creation of such uncertainty.

If the ATF violates the law as they have repeatedly in the Olofson case, why then have they not done it to everyone at once? Law does not restrain them -- No rule or court order. They act with impunity, bureaucratically speaking. What congress will hold a hearing now? Who will cut off their funding? Who will discipline them? But you stay safe, for now, because other rough men are willing to risk doing defensive violence on your behalf, to paraphrase Orwell. Because THEY fear the consequences, the UNINTENDED consequences, of catching one of US on a bad day.

Back in the 90s, my good friend Bob Wright of the 1st Brigade New Mexico Militia was asked by his FBI SAC if he would really go to the aid of some future Waco-like victim in another state. He retorted, "Why would I want to do that? There's plenty of you federal SOBs around here." I had similar conversations here in Alabama. This was a perspective the Fibbies had not considered. Did they try to use weak-minded fools to entrap us, to set us up, on Class 3 and DD raps? Yes, more than once. Did they try to get in our faces and intimidate us? Yes, more than once. Did they visit my house, as they did to scare poor old anonymous (and apyly named) "sayUncle"? They didn't dare. Because I told them in advance, in public, what MY "rules of engagement" were. The uncertainty in their own minds did the rest.

Now they are in a lose-lose situation. They cannot frame me without killing me, and to do so would merely guarantee that EVERYTHING I've ever written would get read by a much larger audience. If they do nothing about me pointing out that not only is there merely a man behind their curtain, but he lacks both clothes and cojones, they look ridiculous and impotent. Read some of what I have written:

What Good Can a Handgun do Against an Army?

"Kill all they send . . "

The Window War

Untouchable

Absolved

and especially the recent "Resistance."

I have given them abundant reason to come after me and still they do not. Why? Because I have given them equally abundant cause to fear that they might be busted by the Law of Unintended Consequences. As the Olofson case demonstrates, it is the only law which still obtains in this country. And you're worried about them coming to your house? Oooooooh....

If I may, let me suggest a line from the movie Silverado that applies to y'all. The evil Sheriff is standing in the street, waiting for the final showdown. A townsman comes up to him and asks what's happening. The Sheriff tells him, "Hide and watch." This is good advice for you cheesers, who won't even risk being associated with an innocent man. Hide and watch. But don't try to kid yourselves or anybody else that you are "gun rights activists." You don't have the stones for it.

5/22/2008 8:36 PM
Anonymous said...

I forgot how afraid of me Sebastian is, I too threatened the violence of conversation. I mistakenly didn't follow the link and tried to post a comment through the link.

Now it looks like Uncle has made assumptions that if he looked up Mike he couldn't behave himself , therefore his assumed reaction on Mike's part is a threat of violence.

How does that work? You know you can't be trusted and you expect that will lead to unpleasant consequences if you do something you shouldn't, therefore you claim you have been threatened. Neat trick if anybody couldn't see through it. Fortunately, you need a lot dumber audience for that shit to work.

::::Divided we accomplish nothing but failure.’

I concur. But why is the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED crowd so intent on throwing those who criticize their method under the bus?::::


Because you have already surrendered, you just haven't admitted it out loud.

For instance, your immediate accusation of threats of violence, because the man told you where he could be found. How fucking cowardly. I asked Sebastian if they were going to be in a vicinity I had plans to be so we could talk. He assumed it was a threat, yet I don't carry, he does.And he knew that. I thought pehaps I could convince him I wasn't a two-headed bloodthirsty monster. Didn't work, he peed his pants and banned me from his website. His right, of course, but my God, he doesn't even have eough man in him to be ashamed of himself.
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Now, Uncle's doing it and accusing others of throwing someone under the bus? You too should be ashamed.

Mike, next time I get to Alabama, I will look you up. Oh pwease, pwease don't hurt widdle me.

Of course, you won't have to I know how to behave as a free man and not trespass other free men.

5/22/2008 10:22 PM
Anonymous said...

David Codrea, Mike Vanderboegh, and SA are welcome at my table anytime.

Great comment gentlemen.

5/23/2008 9:35 AM

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