Changes to Ohio's concealed carry gun law make it easier for permit holders to carry a hidden gun in a car.It's always been easy. Getting caught has been the only hard part.
I know some will be touting the improvements. I look at this and think "Gee, there sure are a lot of infringements."
But then I remember that thinking in those terms generally results in ridicule by our betters.
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I could never understand how a state can issue a CWL and not allow the holder to wear/carry the firearm on them when they drive their cars.
Why is it different riding a bicycle or driving a car. The holder of the CWL has a background clearance and more than likely took firearm training.
The other part is if a person has the legal right to own a firearm and has made the choice to not get a CWL, which they could if they wanted. They have a right to carry a firearm on their side in the open and anyplace they darn well want to in their cars.
The government needs to focus on criminals and start leaving the lawful citizens be.
Ah, but they need lots of avenues to make EVERYONE potential criminals, so that their control is omniscient. We live in a police state. Right now.III.
"I know some will be touting the improvements. I look at this and think "Gee, there sure are a lot of infringements."
But then I remember that thinking in those terms generally results in ridicule by our betters. "
So all you can see when gun rights organizations get the number of infringements reduced is the number still left? I suppose in your world we should even bother doing anything if we can't get everything the way it should be immediately?
Incremental steps don't just work for the gun grabbers you know. Things have come a long way for gun owners in Virginia from the same tactic. We push to have an infringment removed for CHP holders first. Then, when the sheep see that nothing bad happened, we push to have the same thing done for all citizens. Using this tactic, we've managed to get full preemption on all city/county gun laws and reduced the number of gun laws (not counting the useless crap they have related to Class III items) down to just a handful.
The only bad state laws we have left are:
1. Private property owners can make up their own mind about gun possession on their property (just fine)....unless that private property is a religious or private school (not fine).
2. Carry in a place that serves alcohol is fine (good)....unless you want to carry concealed.
3. And our "one gun a month" law. I hate this law, because some months I have to cut back on a lot of luxuries in order to buy my monthly gun.
"So all you can see when gun rights organizations get the number of infringements reduced is the number still left?"
No, it's not ALL that I can see.
But it is PART of what I can see.
Gee, one would think someone needs to agree with you 100% or they're wrong.
Well this will certainly make the gang bangers happy to hear that it is now easier to have a gun in their cars. What is that you say? This wont change what criminals do? And what is that? Oh criminals didn't follow the laws in the first place?
Yes folks, it wont be long until we hear someone talk about this law making it easier for criminals to have a gun in a car and thus drive bys will increase. Be prepared.
Laughingdog, as a fellow Virginian, I APPRECIATE all those improvements in the firearms freedom of concealed handgun permit holders. As a FORMER CHP holder, I still can't take advantage of them. When I get in my car, my pistol has to be in plain sight, whereas before shall-issue concealed carry (if you have no felony record or "other prohibiting conditions"), it could be under the seat or in the glove compartment no permit required, where it was unlikely to scare people in buses, trucks and SUVs who could look down on my passenger seat or belt. My alternatives (lawful ones) are to leave the gun in the safe, or take a chance on being a 911 star. If I cover the gun with something, and I get stopped by police for any reason, including the many sobriety checkpoints, what do I do? Break the law and maybe get caught, or have the pistol on the seat and maybe get asked a HELL of a lot of questions? You've read the horror stories: Cop yells "Gun!", partner panics, draws, has a negligent discharge, all the cops think I'm shooting and open fire...
Simple FREEDOM would be a nice alternative.
Virginia has a lot more gun freedom than many states, but we're making TRADES, not progress.
I have maybe 25 years of healthy, productive life left. It would be nice not to have to buy a privilege but instead breathe easy in liberty. All it requires is enough of us to DEMAND it. When there are no negative consequences, politicians see no reason to change how they do things.
The General Assembly is already discussing how to nail us next session. Some of the same people who have been doing it for decades. THEY draw the election boundaries. THEY get the free media coverage. Our only strength is in agreeing what we want.
The trickle-down theory doesn't work. It's salesmanship. "If you want THIS, you need to buy THIS." It's simple, quick and cheap (compared to a misdemeanor concealed weapon charge). And unconstitutional.
Even though it should not be necessary to incrementally regain our rights, it actually is encouraging to me to hear about the small victories. The small battles seem to serve like a training ground for the bigger battles that most assuredly loom ahead.
I think I understand Mr. Codrea's positions more clearly now. He is like a drill sergeant who is always urging us on to be better, tougher, and smarter. It is wrong to be offended by his statements, and it is proper to be inspired and encouraged to try harder next time. It's not that he sees the glass half-empty. It's that he sees the looming battles in the future that we all need to be prepared to handle in the present.
What it really is is that if I had done things the "permit" route, chances are instead of risking making pragmatic gun owners look bad, the persons looking very bad indeed--quite probably slabbed out in the morgue-- would have been myself, my wife and then infant son.
That kind of brings things into perspective when you survive something like that--and realize you were forced to risk your freedom to do it.
I guess that makes me a "gun criminal" who deserves what I get if caught.
I didn't need anybody's permission to do what I did that night. No one ever does, and no one has a right to require that they get it.
I'll never apologize to anyone for doing what I think I need to do to ensure the safety of myself and my loved ones. If people want to bargain with their freedom, as if anyone has a claim to any part of it, I won't stop them--but I'm going to call it like I see it, especially if the schemes they agree to affect me and mine.
If some want to characterize that as me "screaming SNBI" and being intolerant, so be it.
So, the short version is: freedom must be earned. Even though we received liberty for free as an inheritance from our forbears, we still must actively protect it, exercise it, and understand it at all costs.
I can't argue with that.
David, the prags are never going to understand what you said in your most recent comment. They can't afford to do so.
Their fear of authority and lack of social acceptance trumps their love of self or family. They NEED permission to "act" like men who would protect innocents.
Whereas men do not.
Harsh, uh huh! Wrong, huh uh! They have told us time and again how much disdain they have for men who follow a moral compass when all else fails. They have told us time and again how a victimized innocent "had it coming" because basically he/she wasn't Jesus and driven snow pure.
How being human and not knowledgeable in irrelevant restraints hidden in the law has caused a technical violation that in no way harms another or defeats the ends of justice deserve any draconian measures taken against them.
They must do this. They have no choice. Being angry with them is like being angry at a dog because he licks his balls. The dog can't help it. He's a dog. They can't help it either, to them everyone else is an alpha dog and they are not. Even asking them to pretend to be alpha dogs or to even recognize which alpha dog is only defensive and not viciously offensive requires taking their tail from between their legs and standing straight. That draws attention and is to be avoided by the lesser dog. His tactic is to roll his belly and throat up to the pleasure of the viciously offensiv alpha dog and whine his subjugation. Any benefit this gives him, he then regards as a victory, even though he is in another's power.
Now, I suppose I will be targeted also. Probably again on a site where I can't be heard because of the unreasonable fear of me by the host.
But, you know what? That is kind of a compliment. Sometimes nothing is as indicative of a man in possession of a good character as the caliber of those who dislike him.
I sincerely hope I will earn the level of disdain among the prags as have you. For then I will know I am getting it right.
Straightarrow, David,
Never think that your words and actions go unheeded. I went from a radical leftist gun-grabber type to one of the most vociferous three-percenters many of my new-found colleagues have ever seen, and it's due in large part to the uncompromising, brave and truthful words of people like yourselves. The moderatists are wrong about "winning hearts and minds" and they know it. Intellectual and moral consistency will do more to that end than compromise and selling out ever did.
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Wait a sec; what was that line about 'a secure holster'?
Now motorists need a TSA/AFFDO holster for proper automotive carry?
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