Thursday, April 05, 2012

NRA Should Take Hit for Gun Deaths in Schools

I agree. [Read]

And I'll continue to agree until I hear Wayne publicly apologize for and loudly repudiate this.
Posted by David Codrea at 4/05/2012 10:14:00 AM

6 comments:

Matthew said...

To be accurate and fair, Wayne was talking in the context (and shadow) of Columbine, a High School, full of children mostly below the age of 18 who couldn't carry there due to state law regardless. He talks about kids not having unauthorized access, parental supervision, etc, etc.

The entire speech in context is discussing minors taking firearms to schools unlawfully, not adults being armed, though he does mention "trained security" rather than "lawful (adult) carriers" which he needs to correct moving forward if he hasn't already.

But that's totally different then shootings at colleges like the one in Cali. It was at a private college, public high school rules don't apply. It was a college full of people of legal age to possess and transport firearms to and from the school and, if employees, of legal age to be allowed to carry on the premises.

There's no Federal law extant that prevented the college from allowing their staff and students to be armed and able to resist. From what I can tell, it was solely the college's policy and thus solely the college's fault.

I admit I don't know California's private property possession and carry laws, but authorized employees are usually legal and students may be. Either way, that's on Cali and Wayne and the NRA are on record as opposing their restrictive carry laws for adults.

Anyway, it is neither just nor accurate to extrapolate from Wayne's remarks directly about Columbine high school to his position on campus carry by adults in colleges. It's apples and oranges.

4/05/2012 5:24 PM
David Codrea said...

"The entire speech in context is discussing minors taking firearms to schools unlawfully, not adults being armed"

Bullshit: "First, we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America's schools, period ... with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel."

4/05/2012 6:00 PM
Matthew said...

Text out of context is pretext. There are enough legit issues to call Wayne and the NRA on, there's no reason or purpose in artificially inflating one.

4/05/2012 6:05 PM
David Codrea said...

The only pretext here is your excuse-making.

4/05/2012 6:13 PM
Matthew said...

How is pointing out an equally valid and well-reasoned take on something a third party said, "making excuses?"

I don't give a rats ass about Wayne, but I do try to call the facts as I see them.

I don't understand the urge to go out of one's way to try to score points when there are so many clear-cut examples to use. To me it affects the appearance of credibility. You are dead right on almost everything, why bother with reaching on stuff?

4/05/2012 6:21 PM
David Codrea said...

Because it's not a reach. Words have meaning. There is no context in which that statement could be made that it does not mean exactly what it says.

4/05/2012 6:45 PM

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