Monday, January 23, 2017

Every Kill Begins at Kays?

"Ask me which policy I prefer. Go on, ask."
San Antonio Police Spokesman Douglas Greene said late Sunday that Converse Police had arrested a 35-year-old man believed to be the suspect who had escaped after a fatal attempted robbery of Kay Jewelers at Rolling Oaks Mall earlier in the day. [More]
What a nice-looking young man. How'd you like to run into him ... anywhere? Especially if he was armed and you weren't?

I'm getting conflicting sources on the GFZ status of Rolling Oaks Mall.  Some are saying it's a Simon Mall, with that as a nationwide policy, but the mall is owned by WP Glimcher, which per a 2015 Dayton Daily News report prohibits concealed carry nationwide. That said, this site says they're "neutral," so the truth (with proof) from someone who actually knows -- and can send a photo of relevant signage -- would be most helpful.

It does call truth in advertising into question:


And then there's Kay Jewelers, widely reported to also be anti-gun, owned by the same outfit that makes it easy to say "He went to Jared."

And regardless of all that, evidently there was a concealed-carrying "Good Samaritan" who tried to intervene  and lost his life [UPDATE: There's some confusion on this. See comment below.]. No doubt the antis will seize on that to make their case, ignoring that having a gun has never been a guarantee of 100 % success -- otherwise, making it home at the end of their shift would never be a factor in"Only Ones" responses. And the case can be made that anticipating a GFZ is a factor in choosing perceived soft targets.

Curious and telling, how no one who says requiring disarmament makes everyone safer wants to sign one of these:

CLARIFICATION UPDATE:
A shopper who tried to stop the robbery was killed by gunfire. Another bystander who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon shot and wounded one of the suspects.
ANOTHER UPDATE: The mall isn't posted.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Simon Properties spun off the shopping mall portion of it's portfolio a little over a year ago. The new company is WP Glimcher. I am unsure of the "new" companies attitude towards self defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP_Glimcher

Unknown said...

Not sure the fatality was a concealed carry. Some local reports have him as unarmed and a second Good Samaritan returned fire wounding one of the robbers.

David Codrea said...

Thanks-- added update.

Whoopie said...

Concealed carriers need to disregard GFZ signs. Some business's policy on guns doesn't trump my personal safety or the safety of others.

Jeff said...

Try here:

http://gunfreezone.net/index.php/2017/01/25/rolling-oaks-mall-management-takes-sides-with-the-armed-robbers-and-not-the-armed-citizen/

David Codrea said...

Thanks-- picked it up from CBS San Antonio.