A former member of our unit (but now a cop) told me homeland security is telling all law enforcement to find excuses to search the vehicles of anyone they suspect of being militia and to seize their firearms for any charge they can make up even when they know the firearms will have to be returned or on the pretext of checking the serial numbers so while they have them the BATF can ballisticly test (and put the ballistic forensics into a data base) of all the firearms they can take. He said on the AR-15s the BATF is also checking for M16 parts and testing to see if they will malfunction and double. [More]No idea if this is valid, but the way it "feels" to me, I thought it best to air vs. sit on. I call it to your attention as a precaution and recommend treating it with appropriate questioning while not dismissing it outright.
At this point, we're in data gathering mode. Feel free to enlighten us.
[Via Qi Ji Guang]
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Hmmm... Very interesting. I think most people are beginning to pick up some kind of scent here.
Everywhere is not New Orleans. Some people have NO grasp of geography, however. Their lives will become very exciting.
Well, there goes another right out the window....
I'll await other confirmation as there are so many internet rumors. The problem is that no one doubts they would do this, just questioning if they are really doing it. Sad.
There are many police officers who would spill this faster than yesterday's coffee, were it true. Sorry, not biting.
No, this is AWRM. Rumors there make Alex Jones' drivel look like overcautious reporting. If somebody on AWRM started a rumor that cloudless skies are often blue, I'd check alternate sources.
BATFE could not ballistically test all seized weapons from every law enforcement agency. Its capacity to test is very limited.
I was wondering about this very topic as I wore my "Citizen; not subject" T-shirt today, complete with FAL logo.... The MINI-14 in my trunk is unloaded and in a Ca. defined "locked container". If LEO's took it I would dial 911 and report it stolen.
I'm thinking this is disinformation...classic tactic....when the opposition is subject to uncertainty from any front, step up the disinformation to exacerbate the effects of the uncertainty faced.
Sounds like fudds and prags don't think what has come out recently is real. When returning veterans, 2A supporters, gun owners, supporters of traditional moral values, and conservatives in general are considered to be terrorists in an official publication, why would this be "disinformation"? If it is, there is little if any difference from official statements confirmed by the officials themselves.
hmm, I can't see it being a real rumor, however I do think that the ATF does test firearms and sometimes modifies them to get malfunctions and doubles.
I'm a cop, and I haven't heard anything like this.
Of course, our Sheriff would laugh in their faces.
I CAN see them seizing any gun so they could "check to make sure it's possessed legally" before giving it back later... maybe MUCH later. We know THAT goes on. The testing and ballistic fingerpinting does sound over the top.
Since I no longer have a valid concealed carry permit, the ways in which I can legally transport my gun in my car are limited, and the legislature and officials want to make them more limited. Infringed, you might say. Richmond Va. Mayor Dwight "Victory Party at the hip-hop club" Jones has just joined Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Fascinating. Project Exile was supposed to take care of those nasty things. Wayne LaPierre, call your office.
Now- I do not claim to have direct knowledge of the legitimacy of all this but I would mention a few things. First – if you have not seen it, at the link below there is a short vid clip of a young minister stating that he was stopped questioned and detained by intra-state Border Patrol inspectors and that he cooperated with them up to the point of their wanting to see in his trunk. He refused on 4th amendment principles and was beaten, tased, dragged into broken glass and held for hours all for insisting on his rights. They released him after breaking into the trunk and finding nothing but tools.
Is this report accurate and complete? I do not know – but what I DO know is this:
There are a number of discussions of this on blogs ( and comments on the linked one, too ) in which large numbers of people comment “He was a jerk for refusing them- he deserved it!” and “he is anti-gay and anti-abortion, a bigot, who deserved it” and “If he had nothing to hide, he should have let them open his trunk! He was a fool for messing with the Border Patrol!”
Does it bother anyone but ME, that this mindset is so common? He had it coming because he was a Christian minister, he was wrong to demand his rights, he deserved it because he resisted the uniformed authority.
Does anyone but me see the mentality of the vanquished, the quisling, the collaborator, in these reactions? Or am I just paranoid??? And BTW, where are all the people marching in the streets to protest his abuse??
Here is the link to see the video:
http://boingboing.net/2009/04/16/border-patrol-beat-u.html
If you have trouble just google for " young minister beaten by border patrol in arizona"
:-) Alternately, you could look on this very blog. 4/17.
I was pulled over for missing front license plate by Texas DPS on my way back from an Appleseed last Monday.
TX DPS is very good with guns, and with folks with CCWs. Other than having me place my carry pistol on my driver's seat while they ran my license, they didn't comment on the 3 tac cased rifles in the rear foot (granted, I'm not sure he saw them) nor run any serial numbers (not running serials is pretty common with TX DPS).
Doesn't prove or disprove the case, but it's data for the aggregation.
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