Monday, April 16, 2007

Comments on Virginia Tech Shooting

Naturally, amidst the horror, we could expect this:

"We live in a society where guns are pretty well accepted," said Jim Sollo, of Virginians Against Handgun Violence. "There are 200 million guns in this society and obviously some in the wrong hands."
And just as obviously, not enough in the right ones. Per the Virginia Tech Campus and Workplace Violence Prevention Policy:

2.2 Prohibition of Weapons

The university’s employees, students, and volunteers, or any visitor or other third party attending a sporting, entertainment, or educational event, or visiting an academic or administrative office building or residence hall, are further prohibited from carrying, maintaining, or storing a firearm or weapon on any university facility, even if the owner has a valid permit, when it is not required by the individual’s job, or in accordance with the relevant University Student Life Policies.

Any such individual who is reported or discovered to possess a firearm or weapon on university property will be asked to remove it immediately. Failure to comply may result in a student judicial referral and/or arrest, or an employee disciplinary action and/or arrest.

2.3 Authorized Exceptions to Prohibition on Possession of Firearms or Weapons


An employee may possess a firearm or weapon if it is:
  • Used by an employee who is a certified law enforcement officer employed by the Virginia Tech Police Department;
  • Required as a part of the employee’s job duties with the Commonwealth of Virginia; or
  • Connected with training received by the employee in order to perform the responsibilities of their job with the university.
Employees and students may possess and use appropriate tools, such as saws, knives, and other such implements, necessary for the performance of their job duties or school work, or for student recreational purposes approved under University Student Life Policies. Certain agricultural workers have been authorized to use firearms, and hunting on university property may be authorized by the appropriate university officials. Some employees reside in university-owned houses and are permitted to keep personal firearms on these premises; however, this exception does not extend to employees living in university residence halls.

As stated in The University Policies for Student Life, students may not possess, use, or store firearms or weapons on university property; however, firearms and other weapons may be stored with the Virginia Tech Police Department to be checked out for use off-campus. Organizational weapons of the Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets, approved by the Commandant, are not prohibited by this policy.

Other exceptions must be approved by the Vice President for Business Affairs, in consultation with appropriate university offices.
Here's one other thing we can expect: The renewed cries for disarming you and me will push this debate into a level of hysteria and demands that will be unlike anything we have yet encountered. This will be a catalyst. Count on it.

19 comments:

Kurt '45superman' Hofmann said...

According to This article (ironically in Christian Trejbal's paper), a bill that would have ended the victim disarmament zone status of the VA Tech campus died in committee last January, and VA Tech was quite pleased.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Stan said...

Tragic. They have my prayers. And to the students and people of Virginia, hold on to your guns.

me said...

...the obvious, I'll pray for the families, for some wisdom to come to the people who celebrate the denial of self defense while dancing in the blood.

Good find 45, make it known far and wide. I'm also reminded of the guy who through a hissy fit over an off duty cop in class with a gun. Wouldn't he have been handy today?

Have there been ANY reports of people trying to stop him, or just stories about what 13+ years of indoctrination has led us to...sit, obey, lockdown, or run jump out a window and you're on your own?

the stark contrast between these kids and the ones fighting overseas goes to illustrate the coming firestorm.

BTW, last check of HR 1022 had 33 cosponsors listed.

Unknown said...

Rather than learn from this tragedy, I'm waiting for mainstream media to flood the news with the call for more gun control.

David Codrea said...

I went back through my archives and found this post about a letter to The Roanoake Times:
I feel better knowing that my daughter, a college student, does not have a gun and does not need a gun largely because her college, like Virginia Tech, prohibits them on college grounds.

Anonymous said...

Could this have really happened in a "gun free" zone?

I thought this was just a sick joke - but I saw that the ghouls at VPC are already whining about the "availability" of guns as the cause of this crime.

Better quickly disarm all the gunowners who didn't use their guns to commit mass murder.

That'll cause all the criminals to obey the law. Everyone will then be safe from this sort of mayhem.

Better quickly impliment more victim disarmament - I mean gun free - zones.

Ned

Anonymous said...

Do you suppose any of the "authorized journalists" will call the university and law enforcement officials' expressions of sympathy that are sure to come for the hypocritical mouthings that they are.

Those who sympathize and commiserate the loudest will be the very same ones who made this inevitable. And they will be the ones to call for more restrictions in more places against more innocents and more power to themselves, while they continue to outlaw even the opportunity for self defense for everyone who isn't them.

Too much consistency of occurrence of such every, EVERY, EVERY, time there is gun control legislation making its way through the process.

Correlation may not prove causation, but when there is 100% correlation over decades and thousands of incidents it certainly should make one suspect there is a link.

Gun Control legisation causes mass murders. Always has. It seems we may have improved the equation. In other lands that legislation had to become law first. Here it becomes law in response to sponsored murder of the defenseless.

There are a great many who will think I am paranoid. I listen to myself and I couldn't blame anyone for doing so. But before you say it, give me a viable explanation for what is statistically impossible without a malicious intent governing events.

If you can't do that, at least, admit there might be a basis for my suspicions.

David Codrea said...

Problem is, SA, there is always gun control legislation wending its way through the pipeline, so mass shootings will always occur when it is.

I'd like to see something a little less nebulous--a timeline of incidents and corresponding legislation--something that makes the cause and effect relationship less speculative.

I've heard theories that mass shooters are government plants, mini Riechstag fires set loose at opportune moments to tip the scales. While I have to confess there is not much our government could do that would surprise me, I need more than a general suspicion that there's a correlation.

I'm receptive to seeing hard evidence. So far, and I keep my ear pretty close to the ground, I haven't found a thread I can pull that starts to unravel the fabric...

me said...

I'll ask this here, wasn't "asian" the new code word for middle-eastern?

The janitor who survived a run in with the guy said he looked foreign and said maybe asian.

as far as gun control and "plants," 33 is an important number to masons and those secret societies....

Anonymous said...

Ive got a poll up and running. Great notes on the "gun free" school zone David.

Anonymous said...

I have sent this to CNN:

I guess the teachers at Virginia Tech don't have the means to protect our youth.

I wonder if Virginia Tech has posted signs "Gun Free School Zone" in Arabic to stop Al Qaida?

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/necessity2-0332.jpg.html

CaptainG

Anonymous said...

David, I have some of the same problems with it you do. I am as critical of what I said as you are.

Lack of hard evidence could mean it isn't there. Or it could mean we just haven't found it.

But I am highly suspicious of the timing of this shit. It doesn't seem to happen when there is gun control legislation in the pipeline with no chance of success, only when a tip in the balance can mean success for it.

I know I sound like my trolley has jumped the tracks, but how nuts does one need to be to see no connection? Tenuous, yes. Deniable, huh uh!

Anonymous said...

straightarrow

Circumstantial evidence "could" be there:

1. Chinese National: could have been trained and sent there by our "allies" that hold huge amounts of US Debt. Meaning if their analysis computes to another Civil War in the US based on the 2nd Ammendement then they would loose tons of money. So they help Uncle Sam roll 2nd back.

2. The guy was "methodical" that means NOT crazy, delusional, unorganized. 31 people !!! Lined up, then shot: nerves of steel and good training.

3. I thought owning guns is prohibited in China? Did he learn everything here?


But shit like that just sounds nuts. Let's not even bring this up. It makes us more nuts then we are even if we're just calculating in cold blood.

Guns are like Germs: one cannot become immune (safe) in a septic environment. Exposure means defense.

I bet all those kids lined up against that wall could have walked away after shooting back.

Will anyone in the media mention this side of the story?

Anonymous said...

If, and it's definitely an "if", this guy lined up college-age men against a wall and shot them one at a time, then we need to have a national discussion. Not about gun availability or any of that nonsense, but about the passivity that has been drilled into the minds of young people across our nation.

I remember all the way back to middle-school, where safety posters (prior to Columbine) told us to lie down and do whatever an armed criminal told us to. On 9/11, three of the four planes reacted passively to the hijackers, because the doctrine told us they were rational, reasonable people who could be bargained with. Recently, there was talk of a training program that would teach students to fight back against a shooter on campus, and the parent groups screamed it down, thinking it was better for their children to die at their desks like sheep than maybe die on their feet like men and women.

It's one thing when Jews in Auschwitz don't attack the closest guard. They're still surrounded by a battalion of soldiers. But for a dozen men to stand there staring at the wall while one man walks up to them and shoots, that means something is wrong. But those guys didn't deserve any of the harm that came to them. I blame our culture of weakness. Sometimes, people just love to be able to say "There was nothing I could have done."

Anonymous said...

Here is my comment on this situation:

READ HERE



C.H.

M1Thumb said...

Doctor Suarez, you are dead-on in your assessment of cultural (masculine) passivity to evil.

David, you are dead-on in naming this as a future catalyst. Gentlemen, brace yourselves.

Anonymous said...

They're not only calling for more gun control; they're now screaming for the repeal of the 2A! This is the wildes version of the Danse Macabre yet, and the bodies aren't even cold!

MOLON LABE!!

Anonymous said...

a friend of mine nearly went to that berserk rambo situation bcoz of female.he fall in love with one gal in his class but the gal didnt like him,so she made a harrasment report against this friend of mine.if that gal like him,she wouldn't lodge a harrasment report even if he shits all over her ,get it?and that gal flirts and kisses with her boyfriend in front of this friend of mine!hahahah!such an ass!chilled!

Waste Waste Waste said...

“Biggest story” of 2007 also one of the worst covered

Va Tech shooting may have been the biggest story of 2007, but it was also one of the worst covered by the Washington Post, the Richmond Times Dispatch, and the Roanoke Times World News.

Times Dispatch editor Glenn Proctor, Roanoke Times Editor Carole Tarrant. and Washington Post Editor Leonard Downie, Jr. had zero coverage of the breakdown of quality control at the New River Valley Community Services Board, which was responsible for Cho's examination in 2005.

They didn't print the names of the Board Members.

They didn't print the name of the Chair of New River Valley Community Services Board or do any in depth interview with him, or any in depth inter view with Lynn Chenault who was the Executive Director in 2005.

Likewise, Victoria Cochran and the Virginia STATE Mental Health Board pretty much got a pass from the Media. No one asked that Board why in the 6 months after the Virginia Tech Shooting there was no mention of Quality Control on that Board in their meeting minutes and no mention of Quality Assurance.

ANY High School or College Newspaper Editor could have done most of the things that Tarrant, Downie, and Proctor did.

Get the name of the shooter. Get some photos. Interview the survivors or their families or loved ones. Interview Cho’s roommates, classmates, people who knew him in High School. Big Deal. Journalism 101.

Everyone admits – this story was huge. There was a worldwide market hungry for information about where the breakdown happened in the Virginia Public Mental Health System. The information was all available right out in front of Proctor, Tarrant, and Downie – meeting minutes, supposed quality audits, mission statements and promises. But Proctor, Tarrant, and Downie were all either too lazy, too biased, or simply too uninformed to as journalists to do a complete investigation of the breakdown in quality control in the Virginia Mental Health System.

They blew it. The story could have and should have been investigated properly, and it wasn’t.

Journalism Students and Journalism Professors everywhere should be asking Richmond Times Dispatch editor Glenn Proctor, Roanoke Times Editor Carole Tarrant. and Washington Post Editor Leonard Downie, Jr. what their motivation was to run a blocking offense for the troubled Virginia Public Mental Health System, and why they had zero coverage of the tragic breakdown of Quality Control resulting in 32 deaths, in the "Biggest Story of 2007".

Again, "Biggest Story" certainly does not mean "Best Covered". Shame on Proctor, Tarrant, and Downie.

Want more proof. Google "DMHMRSAS" (Virginia Department of Mental Health, Mental Retardations, and Substance Abuse) under Google News.

Zero hits.

Numbers don't lie.