Thursday, September 05, 2019

We're the Only Ones Correctional Enough

St. Louis corrections officer indicted in federal drug conspiracy [More]
Deep down in your heart you know this is Trump's fault.

[Via bondmen]

An Emotional Issue

Watch: Democratic Presidential Candidates Squirm When Asked To Define "Assault Weapon" [More]
I rest my case.

[Via bondmen]

Supermarket Sweep

Kroger Bans Open Carry, Asks Congress to Pass More Gun Control [More]
I'd say "respectfully asking" is a bit different than "bans" if it doesn't come attached with a call to the "Only Ones." It's the "urging Congress to pass more gun control" part that bothers me.

[Via DDS]

Aid and Comfort

Thanks to Lois Beckett, Alex Yablon, and especially Massad Ayoob for their help researching and fact-checking this piece.  [More]
Beckett and Yablon, especially, I can understand.

I'm still trying to figure out why someone from "our side" would want to help Vox when he's got to know they will use it to attack RKBA. It is an interesting admission on where they have to go and who they have to ask to keep from making fools of themselves, but I still gotta ask what happened to "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

I never understood "fact-checking" proposed infringements, either. I'd want them vulnerable to challenge, rather than helping the oppressor make them bulletproof.  Case in point, thank goodness no one helpfully pointed out the fatal flaw in Nevada's Question 1.

Excuse me, but you won't shoot me that way, with the safety on.

"Oh, you're right. Thanks."

<BANG!>

[Via DDS]

Now There's an Original Thought

Dem Congressman Claims It's Easier to Buy an AR-15 Than Sudafed, Hilarity Ensues [More]
Parrot much?

[Via Jess]

On a Need to Know Basis

No further information about the victim or suspect was released. Milwaukee Police Department told Newsweek the suspect's name will be released when he is charged. [More]
Why is my first thought that it's because it won't support the narrative?

[Via Mack H]

At Least He Didn't Shoot Them

A 40-year-old madman named Yu stabbed to death eight children, ages six through 13 years. At least two other children were injured. He had been released from prison in June after serving a sentence for attempted murder. [More]
The tool doesn't matter and truth knows no borders.

[Via Felix B]

Where was Moses when the Light Went Out?


In the dark. [More]

[Via Mack H]

It's Worse than I Thought

Walmart now proudly proclaims on its own website that it is a “charter member” of the “Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership” which was co-formed by WalMart, “Everytown for Gun Safety” and Michael Bloomberg’s “Mayors Against Illegal Guns”... [More]
I wonder when the last time was that he shopped at one.

[Via Ron W]

Seven Pillars of Wisdom?

7 ways for conservatives to counter gun control with criminal control [More
As long as"gun felons" cannot be construed to include principled"I will not comply" advocates, and stipulating that leaving out the custodian means you might as well arm them, OK by me...

[Via Michael G]

Many of Us Won't Be, Living

Meghan McCain: 'I'm not living without guns' [More]
I have to admit I'm pleasantly surprised, but I still don't trust her.

[Via Mack H]

Meanwhile, Across the Pond in Piers Morgan Paradise...

Cardboard policeman stolen as plan to deter lawbreakers goes a bit wrong [More]
Crikey! They lost their most useful member!

[Via Steve T

'Taking Advantage'?

“Thousands and thousands” of large-capacity magazines are stored currently at GunSitters in Whippany, where gun owners have handed over their large-capacity magazines, taking advantage of the storage option as litigation plays out, Rebels said. Some have turned over more than 100 magazines, which are held in a 3,000-square-foot steel vault. [More]
Hey, we can't be trusting free men with Pez dispensers.

[Via Roger J]

A Catastrophic Liar

The first untruth I’ll call the “Slippery Slope” lie. [More]
Jerry: Is that a nice thing to say about Nancy Pelosi?

[Via Rough and Ready]

A Big Red Flag


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[Via Michael G]

He Who May Not Be Criticized

Media Ignore Soros’ Lobbying for Gun Control in 2019 [More]
Well, heck, who wants to present, you know,  evidence, and be branded an anti-Semite?

[Via Michael G]

We Know You are But What are We?


[More]
So would we members have standing to sue for libel?

Who thinks peace with these hive insects is possible?

[Via DDS]

A Matter of Priorities

The University of South Carolina doesn't offer a course centered on founding U.S. documents, such as the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Federalist Papers because it says that would be too financially stringent. Meanwhile, the university invites students to take a class on the art of tailgating. [More]
I thought it was because they encouraged rear-ending until I saw it's a cooking course.

[Via Michael G]

Wednesday, September 04, 2019

Ask Away

THE DNC WANTS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE HEARD AT THE DEBATE - Please take a moment to let us know what question you would like to see answered on the debate stage. [More]
How many men like me are you willing to kill to achieve your mad goal of citizen disarmament?

[Via Dave Licht]

'I Love that They Think This is a Bad Thing'

‘Surprising twist’! Vox accidentally serves up an ‘odd endorsement of the 2nd Amendment’ in global data about privately held firearms [More]
I'm sure they didn't mean to.

[Via Michael G]

The Best Laid Schemes o' Mice an' Men


Meatspace demands have unexpectedly made themselves known. Back when I can. Comments will be looked at when I can get to them. No guarantees I'll be able to get to news tips.

I will, of course, provide full refunds.

It Depends Upon What the Meaning of the Word 'Debunked' Is

This economist debunked all the right-wing talking points about the Green New Deal [More]
Just because Salon says he did?  Because when you ask specifically "How are we going to pay for a Green New Deal?" and get back that asking who is going to pay for it is "a tertiary question," what I'm seeing are weasel words and mealy-mouthed double-talk.

So when the response to that is "That makes sense," forgive me if I start to smell a shill helping with the swindle.

[Via Steve T

Pictures Worth Several Thousand Words

Bookworm Beat 9/3/19 — the Second Amendment reinforcement illustrated edition [More]
He She (sorry) has some good ones over there.

[Via Michael G]

Opposite Day 'Progressive' Rule of Law

Soros-Funded St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Refuses to Charge Killer of 7-Year-Old Child Despite Suspect’s Confession [More]
That's because we know who's really to blame.

[Via bondmen]

You're in Good Claws

Mandatory gun insurance would solve the problem [More]
This one?

So are you going to be the one to verify the killer's policies are in order, Scott?

[Via bondmen]

And They Say There are No Stupid Questions

Why do ordinary citizens need to arm themselves with an AK-47 rifle? [More]
She should pray she never finds herself in a situation where the answer will become clear.

[Via bondmen]

We're the Only Ones Inexcusable Enough

Lemarr again said "Excuse me" and says he and Abby Busch were knocked to the ground by Neil.  [More]
You can learn a lot about people and how they respond to the rest of life's interactions from their instinctive reactions.

[Via bondmen]

About That 'Greatest Threat'...

Gun battle forces EMS crew to take cover in North City [More]
Somebody want to tell the rightwing extremists to knock it off?

[Via bondmen]

Unintended Consequences

“The family of Bill Landske knew that he was dangerous, they knew he was demented and untethered, and they knew he was prone to outbursts of rage-filled profanity,” attorney Ken Allen said. [More]
So the default choice will be to become a desperate snitch at the first hint of liability? Tell all those manipulated Americans who say they support "red flag laws" that it will be their turn in the barrel once precedent is set.

[Via MM]

He Could Always Start with Himself

A white psychology professor at Western Connecticut State University penned a new op-ed that wished for the “demise” of the white race in favor of “people who would be better stewards of the earth.” [More]
Blinded by his whiteness, eh?

I'll let Jeremiah handle this one.

[Via Wirecutter]

No One Ever Asked Me


Consider yourself asked. [More]

Of course, the problem is, by the time this finds its way to people who aren't regulars, the survey window is closing.

[Via DeplorableMeTex]

We're the Only Ones Falsely Positive Enough

A specially trained drug-sniffing dog was alerted to the presence of a controlled dangerous substance, and a preliminary test done by the police officers further tested positive for a controlled dangerous substance.  [More]
Does that mean the dog responded to a hand signal and the JBTs figured they'd rather see the lie through than admit they ... uh...screwed something other than the pooch?

[Via Bill C]

Deedle Dardle Doodle Deedle Dum

Garza can spend the money however she wants. She uses $150 of it to pay for her cellphone and another $100 or so to pay off her dog’s veterinarian bills. She spends the rest on her two grandsons now that she can afford to buy them birthday presents online and let them get the big bag of chips at the 7-Eleven. [More]
It's not just a question of subsidizing the parasites at a subsistence level.  While this "experimental" program is being funded by a nonprofit, "universal basic income" is already a reality with government-provided "entitlements," where the productive are forced at gunpoint to provide the immoral and lazy with a life of ease and plenty. The story says Garza is unemployed -- where's she getting the rest of her "income" from?

I could just sing:


“I think poverty is immoral, I think it is antiquated and I think it shouldn’t exist,” said Michael Tubbs, the city’s 29-year-old Democratic mayor.
He would say that. He's the political beneficiary of headlines like "This California city’s 27-year-old mayor will give residents $500 free cash per month," like it's his to give. In fact, he's a generational career trough-feeder himself.

Poverty is not immoral. But those with demands on the property of others who claim the mantle of "poor" sure are.

Besides, Garza is hardly an example of poverty.  A lifetime of wrong choices, yes. But truly poor people don't have cellphone and vet bills. And compare the price for a five-Lb.bag of rice compared to the same amount of 7-Eleven potato large chips. Such people don't know how to be poor.

And then such people vote to claim more of what is not theirs. No nation can endure and sustain such a burden forever.

And that's the plan.


We're the Only Ones Privileged Enough

"I told Officer Sanchez not to shoot twice, I even said please," Paola French said. "I was pleading for our son and our lives. I was still shot in the back. What threat did I pose to him?" [More]
Hey, rank hath its privileges:

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Costco -- Where the Only Thing Lower Than Our Prices is Your Safety!

[H/T Wirecutter]

Placing the Blame Where It Belongs

60% of illegal firearms recovered in Chicago come from outside IL—mostly from states dominated by coward Republicans like you who refuse to enact commonsense gun legislation. [More]
Forget it, Jake...

Bragging About the Size of Dick's


I was reading comments at The Hill 's story on NRA's statement about Walmart's changes on guns and ammo, and saw a persistent defender of the profitability of Dick's Sporting Goods' anti-gun stance:


The guy's got up-votes.  Out of everyone who reads his comments, how many do you think will just let them register and move on, as opposed to checking things out over the last five years?


"Thriving"? 

Yeah,  2019 first-quarter earnings did better than expected, but ultimately, the value of a company lies in its stock and in investor confidence, and the past five years tell a story of their own.

My bottom line: If you're a gun owner and you still shop at Dick's, you're rewarding rope-selling capitalists offering you to the mob.

Tuesday, September 03, 2019

The Ducey Show


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Not that we expected anything different from the giant ducey.

[Via @pamnsc]

Honor the Request

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores ... [More]
Don't worry, I won't.

That's actually a misleading headline, though. It's open carry being discouraged ("asked") and they're also discontinuing "ammunition commonly used in assault-style weapons." They also won't sell handguns in Alaska.

Concealed carry is still being "allowed," since there's no practical way to enforce it without TSA rules. That and the Fudds will still be able to get deals during wabbit season for their shotguns, and sniper assassins will still be able to feed their powerful, scoped "deer" rifles...

[Via W3]

Break with Extradition?

That Hapgood chose to return even once to Anguilla after his experience there — let alone multiple times for various legal proceedings — defies logic. [More]
Does he have a choice?

[Via Michael G]

Pearls Before Swine


Or technically, a sow. [More]

[Via Michael G]

A Token 'Republican'

MSNBC 'Republican': Play 'Dirty Pool' with NRA Board Members, 'Go After Their Businesses' ... the only way to get congressmen to come around on gun control will be when a "critical mass" has been personally affected by mass shootings. She noted that, so far, "we have seen [only] one congressman get there." [More]
This evil fool had better hope we never reach critical mass.

[Via Michael G]


Opinion: Guns are America’s Dumbest Problem


Observable: The Daily Iowan Opinions Editor Elijah Helton is a moron. [More]

[Via Michael G]

The Scourge of Kristol Meth


[More]
Now everyone settle down and let's approach this in the spirit of compromise. If "endowed by our Creator" bothers you, there's a secular "inherent to the condition of being human" alternative you can use. And as for an AR-15, yeah, a fair reading would say that's a bit limited for intended purposes and a minimum of "in common use at the time" M4s should be encouraged, at least until upgrades in capability are available.

[Via Michael G]

Meanwhile, Across the Pond in Piers Morgan Paradise


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At least Sadiq is focusing on priorities.

[Via Michael G]

We're the Only Ones Approximate Enough

The vehicle he’d shot into was not a gray Colorado, but a white Silverado. [More]
Eh? An avocado...?

At least it wasn't delivering newspapers.

[Via Chris M]

The Things People Believe

"If performed properly, it would have prevented Dylann Roof from purchasing the gun he used to kill these very innocent people in a church.” [More]
What about a different gun?

Tell me this isn't all symptomatic of the clusterf***ocracy we're living under.

[Via Mack H]

Time and Space Ruled Irrelevant

Drejka Case Analysis: When the ‘Tueller Drill’ 21-Foot Defense is Defined Out of Existence [More]
A jury needs an "expert" to tell them a beating can be deadly?

[Via Michael G]

About Those 'Universal Background Checks'

E-Verify is intended to detect workers without legal status. How do immigrants get around it? [More]
Who thinks NICS is invulnerable?

Not that a workaround is really needed...

[Via DDS]

Poster Boy for Red Flags

West Texas gunman 'was on a long spiral of going down' [More]
Ah, see? If we'd only had ERPOs!

Except the "failed background check" kind of takes the wind out of those sails.

Still, the requisite "AR-style rifle" helps. And leave it to MSN to assure us the semi-auto "sprayed bullets."

Funny-- you'd think by now "we'd" know something about his politics. I can't help but feel someone "in authority" does.

[Via Jess]

There's an App for That

Trump Admin Is Considering Using Amazon Echo And Apple Watch To Determine If Citizens Should Own A Gun [More]
It's not just 3D chess. It's 3D virtual chess.

[Via Felix B]

We're the Only Ones Heroic Enough

 "I still think they're heroes," Acevedo said after Goines and Bryant were charged. While those two officers may be bad apples, Acevedo said, their colleagues "acted in good faith" and appropriately used deadly force to defend themselves. [More]
What...?

[Via Jess]

Speaking of Mindless

"The idea that we don’t have elimination of assault type weapons, magazines that can hold multiple bullets in them, it's absolutely mindless," he continued, saying such a ban would not violate the Second Amendment. [More]
And not one person said "You're an idiot"?

[Via DDS]

There Oughtta Be a Law

Vegan woman demands neighbour stop using meat on barbecue due to smell [More]
We ain't seen nothin' yet.

[Via Michael G]

How Do You Say 'Commonsense Gun Safety Laws' in Spanish?

Organized crime-related homicides soared 77% in August - It was the third consecutive month with more than 2,000 such murders [More]
Damned lax American gun laws...

[Via W3]

Media Exploiting Odessa Shooting Before Facts Known


The killers are NEVER believers in the Constitution because that ideology requires the commitment to champion the rights of the individual. Randomly executing strangers with no delegated authority and without due process is a rejection of all of that, and the work of a bloody-handed collectivist. [More]
The killers have one thing in common: They're all collectivists, regardless of what the say they espouse. FYI, I wrote and submitted this on Sunday morning, before anything more was known.

To Put It Briefly...



... you'll be seeing red ... [More]

Monday, September 02, 2019

Ask a Stupid Question

It’s funny that the party making so much noise about equality is adamantly opposed to equalizers. How is a woman to defend herself from a guy coming at her with a sledgehammer if not by exercising her Second Amendment rights? [More]
With her bodyguards, of course.

[Via Michael G]

It's a Big Club and You're In It

I'm proposing that we campaign to reduce gun violence, and to meet our constitutional duty, by requiring that every member of the militia — which, of course,  we'll redefine to eliminate the obvious sexism and make it all adults — must own at least one long gun, one handgun, and 1,000 rounds of ammunition for each, or pay an annual $1,000 tax for failing to do so. [More]
Well, the Founders did put in a militia duty exemption for those "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms"...

I do have to wrestle with the coercive nature of that and wonder if things couldn't be worked out more along the lines of if you don't help, you don't get helped.

[Via Michael G]

Flintstones, Meet the Flintstones

If you want to use gun control to stop shootings, you need to reduce the nation to a sparsely populated Stone Age society. [More]
Commonsense club safety laws, anyone...?

Guns Politics and Freedom Episode 52



Paul Valone and I talk about "Why Universal Background Checks = Universal Gun Registration."

How to Win Friends and Influence People

Specifically, the brief asserts that…, wait for it…, wait for it…, this is a quote…: “The Supreme Court is not well.  And the people know it.  Perhaps the Court can heal itself before the public demands it be ‘restructured in order to reduce the influence of politics.’” [More]
Nice court you got here. Shame if something ... happened to it.

[Via Tristan M]

Gunkapo Bob


Bob Mokos is a passionate gun owner who on the surface would seem like a card-carrying National Rifle Association member...But Mokos has grown so disillusioned with the NRA over the years that he has joined forces with a rival organization - the gun control group founded by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. [More]
Oh, bull. If liking guns was the criterion, we'd have no better pal than Lon Horiuchi.

This useful idiot was never "one of us," not ideologically. He's a Lord Haw-haw, a Tokyo Rose, an Axis Sally, except he's more absurd than those, making him more like a Howard W. Campbell, Jr. He's an exploitable face for well-financed Astro-Turfers, whose purpose is to divide and conquer by redefining forbidden infringements as "commonsense" and "reasonable." Where have we seen that before.

If I were an FFL and he came into my store, I'd tell him to get the hell out.

We're the Fauxnly Ones Emolumental Enough

A Georgia probation officer has resigned and her friend has been arrested for borrowing that officer’s badge and gun to get free snacks at a QuikTrip. [More]
And the entitled slob has been conditioned so the first thing she does is claims discrimination.

[Via Neil W]

At the Risk of Appearing Insensitive

...Domonique Hughley, 33, grew angry because the mother of his children... [More]
Plural? It's taken her this long to learn?

Might her choices have more to do with her lot in life than anything else?

When they say women are endangered by a gun in the home, these are the kinds of homes that skew the statistics for everyone. In this case, she lucked out.


'Doing Something'

“I have participated in gun buyback initiatives in the past, and I don’t believe this proposed plan is an effective use of the department’s resources,” McManus said. [More]
Me, I'm waiting for a gun to "go off" when they encourage someone who doesn't know the first thing about rules of gun safety to handle and transport one.

[Via Curly Howard]

The Greater Danger

That is why I make the controversial claim that today, the "woke" hard-left is more dangerous to civil liberties than the right. To be sure there are hard right extremists who would use — and have used — violence to silence those with whom they disagree. They are indeed dangerous. But they have far less influence on our future leaders than their counterparts on the hard-left. They are not teaching our college age children and grandchildren. They are marginalized academically, politically and in the media. The opposite is true of hard-left Stalinists.  [More]
As long as the civil war stays cold, true. For now.

[Via Michael G]

It Depends Upon What the Meaning of the Word 'Felon' Is

Brauchler calls for prison time for felons who attempt to obtain guns [More]
Like me?

[Via cydl]

Justice for All?

Admitting the affidavit that triggered gun seizure relied on hearsay, Allegany County Judge restores pistol permit and firearm to gun confiscation victim [More]
I can't help but notice "Justice" in front of her name and wonder if just plain "Ms." would have worked as well.

[Via Felix B]

Not a 'Gun Criminal'

Kate Steinle case: Appeals court overturns gun conviction of Jose Inez Garcia Zarate [More]
Now you go tell 'em you didn't surrender your "bump stock."

We're the Only Ones Getting Back Enough

The investigation determined that while the individual was handcuffed and compliant, Wolfe repeatedly struck him in the back. [More]
What's the problem? She had his six.

[Via Neil W]

A Package Deal

"We are in the process of dealing with Democrats and Republicans, and there’s a big package of things that’s going to be put before them by a lot of different people I’ve been speaking to a lot of senators, a lot of house members, Republicans, Democrats — this really hasn’t changed anything, we’re doing a package and we’ll see how it comes about"... [More]
A YUGE package!  A terrific package!

[Via W3]

Hint, Hint

Former Secret Service agent Jonathan Wacrow called the shooter's actions toward Alonzo "behavioral red flags"... [More]
Whatever can they be driving at?

[Via Jess]

Sorry, Wrong Number

Officials say no charges will be filed against the clerk. [More]
Sorry, but I can't find the name of the"victim of gun violence" in case anyone is inclined to light a candle...

[Via Michael G]

Qu'un Sang Impur Abreuve Nos Sillons !

A man alleged to be an Afghan asylum seeker knifed almost a dozen people at random while armed with a blade and a barbecue fork in the Lyon suburb of Villeurbanne, it is claimed [More]
"'La Marseillaise'... play it."

And just in case anyone needs help with the lyrics...

[Via Jess]

The Neverending Story

ATF reports record year for gun seizures in Minnesota, including more fully automatic weapons [More]
So going full B. Todd over six years ago didn't help?

[Via Jess]

Willfully Obtuse

Mass shootings are a call to arms for some black Americans, not a moment for gun control [More]
So how are they gonna vote? And then there's this:
While I think Kenyatta makes compelling arguments, I continue to support gun reforms like background checks and assault weapons bans. 
Ol' Kim Trent can have the evidence staring her right in the face and she still doesn't get it.

[Via Michael G]

This One Will REALLY Work

Alderman Bosley holds town hall meeting to end gun violence in St. Louis [More]
Ensuring dangerous people have unfettered access to a disarmed victim pool, council resolutions and more brainwashing aren't enough?

[Via bondmen]

Finally, a Solution!

Instead of — or in addition to — more security cameras or metal detectors, how about more clinical therapists and social workers in public schools? [More]
So the problem is they haven't had their minds f****d with by enough "progressive" adults...?

Where do I sign up for the tax increase?

[Via bondmen]

We're the Only Ones Punchy Enough

Video shows Indianapolis police officer punching student outside high school [More]
To be fair, the kid did come all the way up to his chin...

[Via bondmen]

We're the Only Ones Dropping Enough

Did Wyandotte County DA’s office drop the ball in child rape case against sheriff’s deputy? [More]
The important thing is, he dropped his.

[Via bondmen]

Nothing a Council Resolution and Some Wealth Redistribution Won't Fix

Is racism a public health crisis? Black men in KC have the shortest life expectancy [More]
Are those damn white nationalists doing drive-bys again?

[Via bondmen]

Inmates Running the Asylum

It's the latest example of White House policy aides scrambling to come up with concrete policies or proposals to fill out ideas tossed out by the president. And it's an idea that mental health professionals say reflects outdated thinking on the treatment of mental illness. [More]
So the witch doctors think you and I should be disarmed and those who can't be trusted with a gun left free to stalk among us?

Crazy, huh?

[Via bondmen]

A Town Leader

Town leader calls cops on veteran-owned business because of this shirt design [More]
As for how the fair president could legally kick the vendor out, I did find this:
These individuals provide 100% of the management and operation of the Chester Fair, and the maintenance and improvements of their 17-acre fairgrounds.
Anybody know if they actually own the property?

[H/T Wirecutter]

One Question

"A right delayed is a right denied," said SAF founder and executive vice president Alan M. Gottlieb. [More]
Isn't requiring a license in the first place a delay?

All You Need to Know

Though Kohfield wasn’t accused or charged with any crimes... [More]
And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free...

Safe 2 Swat

Loveland, CO Student Banned From School For Going Target Shooting With His Mom [More]
Evil and cowardly little snitches wanted: Inquire within.

A Victim of 'Gun Violence'

Seth Aaron Ator, age 36 - Fatally shot on August 31, 2019 in Odessa, Texas. [More]
Light a candle, won't you?

I submitted a piece yesterday to AmmoLand before his name was known. I see it did not publish last night, so it will be even more dated when it comes out with tomorrow's posts so it will be even more dated, but funny thing: It ain't that off.

Sunday, September 01, 2019

Saturday, August 31, 2019

BIDS Can Prove ‘Universal Background Checks’ are Really about Registration


That said, here’s where BIDS could prove a very useful tool to expose the antis and what they’re really after: If the “commonsense gun safety law groups” truly only want background checks, why would they not promote a system like BIDS, which creates none of the potential registration dangers that create such strong gun owner opposition? [More]
Any chair in a bar fight...